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Re: who leaves
« Reply #135 on: March 28, 2023, 03:13:03 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on March 28, 2023, 02:44:47 PM
https://twitter.com/colehawk23/status/1640785269023449111?s=46&t=05HrG8dHonbWgeb4jtVing

Hawkins in the draft, but will retain eligibility. Smart move on his part.

I don’t think he’ll leave, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he did.

That meme is 3-5 times funnier than most memes around here.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #136 on: March 28, 2023, 03:25:20 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 28, 2023, 03:11:05 PM
Were they portal guys or "transfers"? Nevertheless, your point about losing guys to the portal stands.

Epps got far more PT as the season went on, and after Clark left, so I am skeptical that his average mpg is a good reading of his PT at the end of the season.

Umm, I'm not sure how to answer that first question.  There are very few guys left who were able to 'transfer' before the portal existed - if any.

Yes, Epps got more PT when Clark left - of course he did.  But when Clark was available, he played more than Epps.  It's not like Skyy Clark didn't play, he was a day one starter.

EDIT:  Looking at it now, Epps was getting 24 mpg before Skyy Clark left, and got 28mpg after he left (and before Jayden got hurt).  So not a giant leap in minutes, but not a tiny one either.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #137 on: March 28, 2023, 03:58:29 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 28, 2023, 03:25:20 PM
Umm, I'm not sure how to answer that first question.  There are very few guys left who were able to 'transfer' before the portal existed - if any.

Yes, Epps got more PT when Clark left - of course he did.  But when Clark was available, he played more than Epps.  It's not like Skyy Clark didn't play, he was a day one starter.

EDIT:  Looking at it now, Epps was getting 24 mpg before Skyy Clark left, and got 28mpg after he left (and before Jayden got hurt).  So not a giant leap in minutes, but not a tiny one either.

I guess I could maybe make a distinction between guys transferring to MSU versus being "free agents in the portal who went to MSU"? If that makes any sense.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #138 on: March 28, 2023, 04:13:17 PM »
it doesn't.

All transfers came (and went) via the portal, since 2018.

The last two offseasons you could do it without sitting out a season.`  Previously that was only true of grad students.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #139 on: March 28, 2023, 04:30:28 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 28, 2023, 03:25:20 PM
Umm, I'm not sure how to answer that first question.  There are very few guys left who were able to 'transfer' before the portal existed - if any.

Yes, Epps got more PT when Clark left - of course he did.  But when Clark was available, he played more than Epps.  It's not like Skyy Clark didn't play, he was a day one starter.

EDIT:  Looking at it now, Epps was getting 24 mpg before Skyy Clark left, and got 28mpg after he left (and before Jayden got hurt).  So not a giant leap in minutes, but not a tiny one either.

Looks like it was smack dab between a 3-5 minute increase. Which is always the way to go. 
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #140 on: March 28, 2023, 05:42:24 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 28, 2023, 04:13:17 PM
it doesn't.

All transfers came (and went) via the portal, since 2018.

The last two offseasons you could do it without sitting out a season.`  Previously that was only true of grad students.

Not that it happened at MSU with Houser, et al., but I think there is a difference between "I have to go in the portal to transfer to X school where my college coach took a new job" versus "I am in the portal as a free agent to go to the highest bidder."
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #141 on: March 28, 2023, 05:42:46 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 28, 2023, 04:30:28 PM
Looks like it was smack dab between a 3-5 minute increase. Which is always the way to go.

Good one, Tempo.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #142 on: March 28, 2023, 06:59:21 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 28, 2023, 05:42:24 PM
Not that it happened at MSU with Houser, et al., but I think there is a difference between "I have to go in the portal to transfer to X school where my college coach took a new job" versus "I am in the portal as a free agent to go to the highest bidder."

Who are you implying fits the first mold?

Nobody on the current roster followed Izzo to Michigan State, obviously.  He recruited them from HS and the transfer portal.

Everybody enters the portal the same way as far as I know.  People do it for a million different reasons, including the one you mention here.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #143 on: March 28, 2023, 07:26:55 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on March 28, 2023, 06:59:21 PM
Who are you implying fits the first mold?

Nobody on the current roster followed Izzo to Michigan State, obviously.  He recruited them from HS and the transfer portal.

Everybody enters the portal the same way as far as I know.  People do it for a million different reasons, including the one you mention here.
I'm just saying in general as I have no clue why the MSU guys transfered there a couple of years ago. I don't think they brought anyone in last year via the portal.
Didn't LSU have guys who followed their coach when he got hired there?
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #144 on: March 28, 2023, 07:28:51 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 28, 2023, 07:26:55 PM
I'm just saying in general as I have no clue why the MSU guys transfered there a couple of years ago. I don't think they brought anyone in last year via the portal.
Didn't LSU have guys who followed their coach when he got hired there?

This last offseason they didn't get any transfers - and Izzo made a big self-righteous show of it because he's that kind of a dude - but had 4 in the two offseasons before that, including their two leading scorers.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #145 on: March 28, 2023, 08:40:47 PM »
Quote from: illinismitty on March 28, 2023, 11:40:52 AM
I really liked Epps. One of the best freshman guards we have seen in awhile IMO

Podz, Clark, Epps....see a pattern?

Not gonna lie, sorta pissed at Underwood right now. He needs to motivate these players and fix the locker room

You forgot Smith, Griffin, Miller, and Curbelo.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #146 on: March 28, 2023, 08:55:59 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 28, 2023, 08:40:47 PM
You forgot Smith, Griffin, Miller, and Curbelo.

Underwood's coaching in the wrong era.  He's way too emotional for this era of entitled kids.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #147 on: March 28, 2023, 09:28:47 PM »
Don't you love it when players invoke God as they decide to quit and transfer.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #148 on: March 28, 2023, 09:51:04 PM »
Wake me up when we know what the roster looks like.
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Re: who leaves
« Reply #149 on: March 29, 2023, 12:16:14 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 28, 2023, 09:51:04 PM
Wake me up when we know what the roster looks like.

same way I feel about the bears
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