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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #960 on: April 29, 2023, 05:59:27 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 29, 2023, 05:43:08 PM
And yet you “expect him to pull it together!”
He expects Fields to meet the job classifications of a starting NFL QB. Everyone should expect it, he was a #11 pick.
He's not saying that he assumes ( expects) it will happen when he says "expect him to be".
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #961 on: April 29, 2023, 06:01:43 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 29, 2023, 05:59:27 PM
He expects Fields to meet the job classifications of a starting NFL QB. Everyone should expect it, he was a #11 pick.
He's not saying that he assumes ( expects) it will happen when he says "expect him to be".

This guy gets it....
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #962 on: April 29, 2023, 06:10:01 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 29, 2023, 06:01:43 PM
This guy gets it....
It's the same issue with the 'investing in every agreeing that ...'
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #963 on: April 29, 2023, 06:31:31 PM »
What’s my “vested interest?” What do I gain?
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« Reply #964 on: April 29, 2023, 06:33:36 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 29, 2023, 05:59:27 PM
He expects Fields to meet the job classifications of a starting NFL QB. Everyone should expect it, he was a #11 pick.
He's not saying that he assumes ( expects) it will happen when he says "expect him to be".

Then why spend the last 8-9 months saying he sucks and is basically a lost cause? He wouldn’t even humor me on “let’s see what he does next year with more help.” No, instead he ripped him repeatedly that’s he’s a lost cause and will never be good.
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« Reply #965 on: April 29, 2023, 06:37:49 PM »
Trey Lance was the 2nd quarterback picked in the draft. I don’t “expect” anything out of him. Or Mitch Trubisky. I’m not sure I ever had “expectations” for Mitch Trubisky. I’m sure I had hope. But that faded fast. Just as PAMan’s hope clearly faded quickly for Fields. I can assure you, I certainly had no “expectation” of Mitch Trubisky after I was confident he sucked.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #966 on: April 29, 2023, 06:42:14 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 29, 2023, 06:31:31 PM
What’s my “vested interest?” What do I gain?

Read your sig.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #967 on: April 29, 2023, 06:45:20 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 29, 2023, 06:33:36 PM
Then why spend the last 8-9 months saying he sucks and is basically a lost cause? He wouldn’t even humor me on “let’s see what he does next year with more help.” No, instead he ripped him repeatedly that’s he’s a lost cause and will never be good.

You won't even admit he has sucked. PFF had him last when he had time and an open receiver.

Hope he turns it around as it will suck if he doesn't.
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« Reply #968 on: April 29, 2023, 06:47:49 PM »
Welp, draft week is over. All in all Poles did some good things. Hard not to upgrade the team off of what RBG had last year though. Wright should be a good addition. The keys to the draft should be the 2nd and 3rd rounders (and Scott). High upside guys maybe a bit short on production but have good “football character” according to reports.

Poles definitely loves his RAS system (which I’d never even heard of until PAMan mentioned it). About 5 rounds in saw something that every player he took graded highly in it.

After doing some research on Roschon Johnson I like what I’ve read. Still skeptical he was a wise choice with Adebawore there to be had. Think he would have made the DL draft an A+.

Pretty excited about Scott. TY Hilton comp is NICE.

I could see every pick except the 7th round DT making the team. But again, fairly low bar seeing they need an infusion of youth, talent, a bodies everywhere.

Hopeful they can still pull off a big trade (maybe a Chase Young, Mike Evans, or a starting Center?). Still think they are in a good position to land a premium cap cut casualty. They have the money.

Bears vs Texans wins bet is still open to PAMan!
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« Reply #969 on: April 29, 2023, 06:48:22 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 29, 2023, 06:45:20 PM
You won't even admit he has sucked. PFF had him last when he had time and an open receiver.

Hope he turns it around as it will suck if he doesn't.

I’m not gonna rehash all that shit. We did it long enough. Moving on.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #970 on: April 29, 2023, 06:49:23 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 29, 2023, 06:37:49 PM
Trey Lance was the 2nd quarterback picked in the draft. I don’t “expect” anything out of him. Or Mitch Trubisky. I’m not sure I ever had “expectations” for Mitch Trubisky. I’m sure I had hope. But that faded fast. Just as PAMan’s hope clearly faded quickly for Fields. I can assure you, I certainly had no “expectation” of Mitch Trubisky after I was confident he sucked.

The 49er did expect things out of Lance until they stopped.

And Spark argued with you  about taking the longer view of Mitch, even throwing Mahomes numbers out there. You appear to be the Spark of JFC. Doesn't mean you won't be wrong.
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #971 on: April 29, 2023, 06:52:41 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 29, 2023, 06:47:49 PM
Bears vs Texans wins bet is still open to PAMan!

Two OSU QBs. Blech. Talk to me in September.
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« Reply #972 on: April 29, 2023, 06:55:12 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 29, 2023, 06:45:20 PM
You won't even admit he has sucked. PFF had him last when he had time and an open receiver.

Hope he turns it around as it will suck if he doesn't.

Ok, you hooked me. Real quick. You don’t take into account 2nd year QB learning a new system with little to no help. That’s fine. But you also cherry pick stats. Here is a ranking that might be more accurate. Not good, but not the worst as you like to claim. Some familiar names are below him. I’m sure you and Dom think Baker is a better quarterback. Hell, you legitimately think Trevor Siemian is a better quarterback. Wonder who Siemian will be starting for this year? The Arizona RoughRiders? How funny is it that Siemian autocorrected to “asinine” for me?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers
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« Reply #973 on: April 29, 2023, 07:08:02 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 29, 2023, 06:55:12 PM
Ok, you hooked me. Real quick. You don’t take into account 2nd year QB learning a new system with little to no help. That’s fine. But you also cherry pick stats. Here is a ranking that might be more accurate. Not good, but not the worst as you like to claim. Some familiar names are below him. I’m sure you and Dom think Baker is a better quarterback. Hell, you legitimately think Trevor Siemian is a better quarterback. Wonder who Siemian will be starting for this year? The Arizona RoughRiders? How funny is it that Siemian autocorrected to “asinine” for me?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-quarterback-rankings-and-tiers

The PFF stat cited responds to your constant whining that JFC had nothing around him, he is always on the run due to the line, the receivers suck and never got open, etc. The PFF stat was simple: have time to pass and at least one receiver is open. He had the worst ranking. In the league, per PFF, in this category. In no way, shape, or form, is that defensible from the cornerstone of your franchise.

As for the list, look who he is behind. The brutally bad passing numbers are obviously offset by his great running numbers to get him to #29. 29th. Wow. Awesome.

Sadly, even Trevor Siemian looked somewhat  competent in the offense for part of a half (until the shot wore off). Arguabky yet another indictment of the poor play by the starting QB, the cornerstone of your franchise, the 11th pick in the draft. It is Getsy's fault, since he calls the plays!
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #974 on: April 29, 2023, 07:11:06 PM »
Assuming that you consider Mayfield a disappointment, would that be because he doesn't meet your expections of what a starting NFL QB should be able to do ?
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