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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #495 on: April 28, 2023, 07:50:24 AM »
No it’s for sure whining.

This is a guy who’s so upset the Bears didn’t pick a running back who wasn’t available that he’s criticizing them for not drafting someone they didn’t want and instead getting a draft pick for him.

If it was a sweetheart deal it was a sweetheart deal for the Bears.  At least that’s what Tempo would be whining about if the Bears gave up a draft pick to move up a spot and take a guy you could’ve gotten for free.
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« Reply #496 on: April 28, 2023, 07:50:32 AM »
Meme away, PAMan. Meme away…
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Re: 2023 NFL Draft
« Reply #497 on: April 28, 2023, 07:53:23 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 28, 2023, 07:28:59 AM
Despite your bitter disappointment with yesterday's proceedings....

Bitter? Wouldn’t go that far. Underwhelming. That fits. I’d rate yesterday’s 1st round a 7.5. I just expected a 9 or better. I don’t mind Darnell Wright. Just don’t think they got good value for the 9th pick.

Could they have gotten a Chase Young and the 16th pick for Jalen Carter and a 4th rounder? I sure hope they tried.
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« Reply #498 on: April 28, 2023, 07:56:42 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 28, 2023, 07:38:41 AM
You have yet to provide a better alternative.  You’re literally just whining.

Here were the options:

Pick a guy you don’t want
Let the team behind you pick him for free
Get what you can for him.

The third, which they chose, is easily the best.  And you’re STILL whining.

Except I completely gave you an “alternative.” If you can’t get anything better than essentially next years 5th rounder, call their bluff and take him (and then try to flip him). The WORST CASE SCNENARIO is you wound up with the possibly the best player in the draft and your greatest position of need. And I also don’t think giving a sweetheart deal to far and away the best team in the NFC was the smartest move.
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« Reply #499 on: April 28, 2023, 07:57:24 AM »
Again, Spark. I don’t hate the way it turned out. I just think it could have been “better,” and should have been better. I think Poles blinked.
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« Reply #500 on: April 28, 2023, 07:58:39 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 28, 2023, 07:40:30 AM
Yes, they could’ve picked a guy they didn’t want.  I am fucking mind blown you think that’s a better option than getting a draft pick for free.

I’m confident they could have gotten something better than next years’ 127th pick. Pretty confident. They could have packaged him.
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« Reply #501 on: April 28, 2023, 08:00:07 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 28, 2023, 07:50:24 AM
No it’s for sure whining.

This is a guy who’s so upset the Bears didn’t pick a running back who wasn’t available that he’s criticizing them for not drafting someone they didn’t want and instead getting a draft pick for him.

If it was a sweetheart deal it was a sweetheart deal for the Bears.  At least that’s what Tempo would be whining about if the Bears gave up a draft pick to move up a spot and take a guy you could’ve gotten for free.

Jesus dude, talk about bad faith arguing…
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« Reply #502 on: April 28, 2023, 08:01:17 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 28, 2023, 07:56:42 AM
Except I completely gave you an “alternative.” If you can’t get anything better than essentially next years 5th rounder, call their bluff and take him (and then try to flip him). The WORST CASE SCNENARIO is you wound up with the possibly the best player in the draft and your greatest position of need. And I also don’t think giving a sweetheart deal to far and away the best team in the NFC was the smartest move.

Huh?

No, the worst case scenario is you picked a guy you didn't even want and he has off field problems like he already does and doesn't produce like he already hasn't.

The best case scenario is rather than taking a guy you don't want, you trade him for a free pick.  This is what they did, and you have been whining about it since it happened.

If you want me to believe that, were the Bears to trade a pick to move up one spot and take a guy the team in front of them didn't even want, you'd be calling that a 'sweetheart deal' for the Bears, well, you're barking up the wrong tree.  I'm not that stupid.
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« Reply #503 on: April 28, 2023, 08:01:51 AM »
Show of hands. Who here thinks Jalen Carter is worth more than the 127th pick in next years’ draft? And who thinks it was wise to give him to the best team in the NFC. The team that probably wound up with the best 1st round day because of the trade.
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« Reply #504 on: April 28, 2023, 08:02:46 AM »
Again, for the 16th time. I don’t hate what the Bears did. Just thought they could have (and should have) done better.
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« Reply #505 on: April 28, 2023, 08:03:01 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 28, 2023, 08:00:07 AM
Jesus dude, talk about bad faith arguing…

You literally act like an elementary school kid upset that they didn't get the toy they wanted.  You recognize that, right?

They didn't take your guy Bijan, as risky a pick as possible, because someone took the risk in front of them.  He wasn't available.  Carter was not an option.  They had the opportunity to get a pick for him for free and still get the guy.

You're mad because they didn't take a player they didn't even fucking want with a top-10 pick.  It's devastatingly stupid.
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« Reply #506 on: April 28, 2023, 08:03:31 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 28, 2023, 08:02:46 AM
Again, for the 16th time. I don’t hate what the Bears did. Just thought they could have (and should have) done better.

Yes, but the only alternative you've provided - take a guy you don't want with your top-10 pick and hope - would've been doing much worse.

You keep saying "they should've done better", but your only ideas as to how they could've done that are absolutely horrible.
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« Reply #507 on: April 28, 2023, 08:05:20 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 28, 2023, 08:01:51 AM
Show of hands. Who here thinks Jalen Carter is worth more than the 127th pick in next years’ draft? And who thinks it was wise to give him to the best team in the NFC. The team that probably wound up with the best 1st round day because of the trade.

Jalen Carter's worth what a team will give you for him and no more.  Obviously no one in the top-9 of the draft was interested.

I think letting someone else take a guy you don't want - and especially letting someone else take him and getting a free draft pick in return - is preferable to taking a guy you don't want at #9 overall.  Crazy, I know.

You have literally convinced yourself this is a Madden draft.  It's insanity.  Just an unbelievable whiner.
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« Reply #508 on: April 28, 2023, 08:06:19 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 28, 2023, 08:01:17 AM
Huh?

No, the worst case scenario is you picked a guy you didn't even want and he has off field problems like he already does and doesn't produce like he already hasn't.

The best case scenario is rather than taking a guy you don't want, you trade him for a free pick.  This is what they did, and you have been whining about it since it happened.

If you want me to believe that, were the Bears to trade a pick to move up one spot and take a guy the team in front of them didn't even want, you'd be calling that a 'sweetheart deal' for the Bears, well, you're barking up the wrong tree.  I'm not that stupid.

At number 9, I think “getting stuck” with Carter is a risk worth taking. I think Poles blinked. No one is perfect. I find it very difficult to believe no one but the Eagles were interested in Carter at 9.
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« Reply #509 on: April 28, 2023, 08:06:52 AM »
And for the 42nd time, I’m ok with what they did. Just don’t love it.
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