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2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations

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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #60 on: June 16, 2023, 10:08:39 AM »
Quote from: FaninCa on June 16, 2023, 08:49:33 AM
A Sweet 16 every 3 years would be nice..

Making one when you have 2 All American type players would be nice too.

Making one when you are a 1 seed would be nice too.

Too much to ask for apparently.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #61 on: June 16, 2023, 10:11:40 AM »
Nope, not at all - and nobody said that, it's just pure straw.

It's just not a thing where if it doesn't happen once it makes sense to throw the whole thing out.

Pretty much every good coach has been upset in the tournament at least once.  If their fans took it as a full indictment despite the other 99% of their results and fired them, there'd be Hall of Fame coaches without jobs.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #62 on: June 16, 2023, 10:29:11 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on June 15, 2023, 07:08:37 PM
Getting a good feeling on this one....

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/antonio-reeves-is-currently-taking-summer-classes-at-illinois-state/

Williams I believe will end up having issues, or no immediate play with injury (pushed out 1 year or not at all), Harmon comes still ASSUMING he gets credits needed, and we snag Reeves to give us the punch we need of Reeves/TSJ/Hawkins and a Top 10 ranking with our depth.

The current word is can't be a grad transfer from ISU while he is on UK's roster.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #63 on: June 16, 2023, 01:50:49 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 16, 2023, 10:11:40 AM
Nope, not at all - and nobody said that, it's just pure straw.

It's just not a thing where if it doesn't happen once it makes sense to throw the whole thing out.

Pretty much every good coach has been upset in the tournament at least once.  If their fans took it as a full indictment despite the other 99% of their results and fired them, there'd be Hall of Fame coaches without jobs.

There are plenty of other people here who are just satisfied with B1G Regular Season titles.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #64 on: June 16, 2023, 03:10:28 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 16, 2023, 01:50:49 PM
There are plenty of other people here who are just satisfied with B1G Regular Season titles.

I am one of those.......UNTIL the regular season becomes the conference Tournament and the NCAA Tourney. ;D
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #65 on: June 16, 2023, 03:12:24 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on June 16, 2023, 08:40:06 AM
Uh oh. Here comes 10 more pages about how all Illini fans demand sweet 16s every year.

There's laws against that Jobu...I for one demand for them to be at least 21.  ;D
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #66 on: June 16, 2023, 03:32:31 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on June 16, 2023, 03:12:24 PM
There's laws against that Jobu...I for one demand for them to be at least 21.  ;D

Oh man. Good call
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #67 on: June 16, 2023, 03:42:24 PM »
Certainly seems as if there is still something in the works in regards to Williams?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brad-underwood-illini-offseason-incredible-144800286.html
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #68 on: June 16, 2023, 08:01:44 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 16, 2023, 08:55:44 AM
But again, half of the top-15 highest paid coaches haven't made a S16 in the last four seasons - Underwood is by no means alone in that.  It's just not as simple as you make it seem.  If it was the best coaches would make it more consistently, and they don't really.

Top-10 results overall?  Or only in the single elimination tournament?  He may not be exactly top-10 but surely taken as a whole, Underwood's been among the top-15 or -20 coaches in terms of results in the last 4 seasons.

88-40 (54-25 in a high major conference), a conference title and a conference tournament title.

Underwood has never made a sweet 16 in his career.  How about the others in top 15 pay?
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2023, 02:25:59 PM »
Quote from: FaninCa on June 16, 2023, 08:01:44 PM
Underwood has never made a sweet 16 in his career.  How about the others in top 15 pay?

A number of them took 8-10 years or more as a head coach to make a S16.  Underwood's only been a head coach for 10 seasons, 9 tournaments.  Worth noting he's played in 7 of them.  He's 4-7 in the tournament.

Kevin Willard's been a head coach for 15 years and hasn't made one.  He's 1-5 in the tournament.  Ed Cooley got to his first S16 in year 16 he was 1-5 in the tournament before that.  Dana Altman in year 25 (2-8).  Mick Cronin year 9 (1-3), Huggins year 8 (0-1), Barnes year 10 (0-4).


There are a lot of good coaches on that list that people like you would've fired.

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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2023, 09:09:10 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 18, 2023, 02:25:59 PM
A number of them took 8-10 years or more as a head coach to make a S16.  Underwood's only been a head coach for 10 seasons, 9 tournaments.  Worth noting he's played in 7 of them.  He's 4-7 in the tournament.

Kevin Willard's been a head coach for 15 years and hasn't made one.  He's 1-5 in the tournament.  Ed Cooley got to his first S16 in year 16 he was 1-5 in the tournament before that.  Dana Altman in year 25 (2-8).  Mick Cronin year 9 (1-3), Huggins year 8 (0-1), Barnes year 10 (0-4).


There are a lot of good coaches on that list that people like you would've fired.

Barnes made a Final 4 when he was 49.

Altman made a Sweet 16 at 55 and Elite 8 at 58.

Cronin made a Final 4 at 50.

Huggins made a Final Four at 39.

Cooley made a Sweet 16 at 53.

Underwood is 59 and showing why he was an Assistant for so long.


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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #71 on: June 19, 2023, 09:08:32 AM »
Quote from: FaninCa on June 18, 2023, 09:09:10 PM
Barnes made a Final 4 when he was 49.

Altman made a Sweet 16 at 55 and Elite 8 at 58.

Cronin made a Final 4 at 50.

Huggins made a Final Four at 39.

Cooley made a Sweet 16 at 53.

Underwood is 59 and showing why he was an Assistant for so long.

I mean, if you want to use age rather than experience I suppose go ahead.  I think that's pretty silly for self-evident reasons.  Doesn't matter how old he is unless he's too old to coach.

Fact of the matter is: you'd have fired most of those guys, and missed out on a bunch of success for it.  You'd have fired most of this year's Final Four coaches, including the team who won the title.  You'd have fired the guy whose name is on our court.  Etc.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #72 on: June 19, 2023, 09:48:50 AM »
Quote from: FaninCa on June 18, 2023, 09:09:10 PM
Barnes made a Final 4 when he was 49.

Altman made a Sweet 16 at 55 and Elite 8 at 58.

Cronin made a Final 4 at 50.

Huggins made a Final Four at 39.

Cooley made a Sweet 16 at 53.

Underwood is 59 and showing why he was an Assistant for so long.

Were they 1 seeds and/or have 2 All American caliber players on the team before/when they advanced?
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #73 on: June 19, 2023, 10:16:59 AM »
Most teams didn't have All-Americans, but had at least 2 that sniffed or played NBA ball.

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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2023, 10:40:56 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on June 19, 2023, 10:16:59 AM
Most teams didn't have All-Americans, but had at least 2 that sniffed or played NBA ball.

All of the Illini teams that made the S16 had elite talent, even the 1963 and 1981 teams that had first round byes. Probably even the earlier teams when there were only 8 or 16 teams.
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