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2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations

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Lkdog

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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2023, 10:31:06 AM »
Harmon has some apparent admission issues. He is taking summer school classes to try and get in.
Guerrier also taking summer school classes although there seems to be less concern about him getting in.
Williams has transfer waiver, injury, and apparent legal issues.

Really this goes both ways- some of these kids commit, we verbally accept them, but they are not technically eligible to do so.

There is also the ability to move someone off scholarship and potentially pay there way via NIL money, but this is murky.

It is a new world and how the game is played.

From reports neither Moretti or DGL are physically ready to play at this level this year.

Staff have done a shit job in managing this in offseason and had months to prepare.

 
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2023, 11:34:14 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on June 15, 2023, 10:31:06 AM
Harmon has some apparent admission issues. He is taking summer school classes to try and get in.
Guerrier also taking summer school classes although there seems to be less concern about him getting in.
Williams has transfer waiver, injury, and apparent legal issues.

Really this goes both ways- some of these kids commit, we verbally accept them, but they are not technically eligible to do so.

There is also the ability to move someone off scholarship and potentially pay there way via NIL money, but this is murky.

It is a new world and how the game is played.

From reports neither Moretti or DGL are physically ready to play at this level this year.

Staff have done a shit job in managing this in offseason and had months to prepare.

Where do we go?
Where do we go now?
Where do we go?
Ooh, oh, where do we go?
Where do we go now?
Oh, where do we go now?
Where do we go? (point guard?)
Where do we go now?
Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay
Where do we go now?
Ah, ah
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2023, 11:34:30 AM »
The staff got easily the two biggest targets back on campus, a former all conference guy and a potential all conference guy, and the narrative is "man they fucked this up".

Gotta hit every mark perfectly or the narrative is you sucked.

Literally as soon as Hawkins and Shannon announced they'd come back people started saying "of course they did who cares"
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2023, 11:39:00 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 15, 2023, 11:34:30 AM
The staff got easily the two biggest targets back on campus, a former all conference guy and a potential all conference guy, and the narrative is "man they fucked this up".

Gotta hit every mark perfectly or the narrative is you sucked.

Literally as soon as Hawkins and Shannon announced they'd come back people started saying "of course they did who cares"

What do you expect when there's no point guard?
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2023, 11:40:34 AM »
Maybe at least an acknowledgement that they got the two biggest, by far, pieces they targeted this offseason, rather than just "they fucked up this offseason" because they didn't get a transfer point guard?

Just black and white shit.  They didn't get every detail perfect so it was a disaster even though they brought back probably two all conference players.

There are certainly things to criticize here but this offseason overall was undoubtedly a success.  We could've missed on the point guards and also NOT gotten two high level starters back.

Like there were a few major goals here.  1 and 1a were getting Shannon and Hawkins back.  3 was get a transfer point guard.  We're throwing the whole thing out as a disaster - saying the coaching staff 'have done a shit job' because we ONLY got our top two targets back on the roster.

Imagine a situation where your boss tells you, ideally you'll do these three things this year, ordered by priority.  You do the top two perfectly and the third one is a 'maybe'.  What do you say when your boss says "you did a shit job"?
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2023, 11:46:06 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 15, 2023, 11:40:34 AM
Maybe at least an acknowledgement that they got the two biggest, by far, pieces they targeted this offseason, rather than just "they fucked up this offseason" because they didn't get a transfer point guard?

Just black and white shit.  They didn't get every detail perfect so it was a disaster even though they brought back probably two all conference players.

There are certainly things to criticize here but this offseason overall was undoubtedly a success.  We could've missed on the point guards and also NOT gotten two high level starters back.

Like there were a few major goals here.  1 and 1a were getting Shannon and Hawkins back.  3 was get a transfer point guard.  We're throwing the whole thing out as a disaster - saying the coaching staff 'have done a shit job' because we ONLY got our top two targets back on the roster.

Imagine a situation where your boss tells you, ideally you'll do these three things this year, ordered by priority.  You do the top two perfectly and the third one is a 'maybe'.  What do you say when your boss says "you did a shit job"?


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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2023, 12:16:57 PM »
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2023, 12:37:27 PM »
I'm just messing with Spark. Getting Hawking and Shannon was big BUT we can't act like NOT getting a PG is OK.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2023, 01:42:55 PM »
It's exactly 'OK' IMO.  Far from ideal, obviously, but of the priorities here getting our starters back were the top two by a mile and a half and we did that.

Certainly to sell it as "they did a shit job" requires ignoring quite a bit of evidence.

I'd have rather gotten Shannon and Hawkins back than RayJ or whoever.  I think we're a notably better team with those two guys than without them and with one of the  transfer PGs.

Like if I'd have said right after our last game last season "we're going to get Shannon and Hawkins back, but we're going to miss on RayJ Dennis" this board would've been like, "who?"
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2023, 02:02:14 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 15, 2023, 11:34:30 AM
The staff got easily the two biggest targets back on campus, a former all conference guy and a potential all conference guy, and the narrative is "man they fucked this up".

Gotta hit every mark perfectly or the narrative is you sucked.

Literally as soon as Hawkins and Shannon announced they'd come back people started saying "of course they did who cares"


I don't recall anyone saying that.

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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2023, 02:21:31 PM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on June 15, 2023, 11:46:06 AM

"So I'm Brad Underwood?"

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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2023, 02:22:23 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on June 15, 2023, 02:02:14 PM

I don't recall anyone saying that.

They did.

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,845.msg83686.html#msg83686

When really good things happen it's who cares, thats what I expected.  When moderately bad things happen it's, this is a dumpster fire and our staff sucks.

Taken as a whole, this offseason was a success.  They didn't get every single thing correct, but they got easily the two biggest and most important targets back.  I expect us to be improved.  Hell, up until right now you'd been saying the same thing.  I don't really see any reasonable way to sell us getting two potential all conference starters back, but missing on a one year transfer PG, as being some disaster.
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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2023, 02:56:17 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 15, 2023, 02:22:23 PM
They did.

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,845.msg83686.html#msg83686

When really good things happen it's who cares, thats what I expected.  When moderately bad things happen it's, this is a dumpster fire and our staff sucks.

Taken as a whole, this offseason was a success.  They didn't get every single thing correct, but they got easily the two biggest and most important targets back.  I expect us to be improved.  Hell, up until right now you'd been saying the same thing.  I don't really see any reasonable way to sell us getting two potential all conference starters back, but missing on a one year transfer PG, as being some disaster.


I do think they will be improved. They have also shit the bed with not getting a legit playmaker in.
It's not always a black and white world. You think staff and the NIL bagmen are happy? No.

We will be in the Top 25-35 range this year again.
Obviously getting TSJ back was huge.
Without him they would be a fringe NCAA team in the Top 40-45 range.
 
With a decent PG we could be Top 15.

If Harmon is eligible that will help and our ceiling gets a little higher than 25-35.

Of course, the best thing about getting TSJ back is no Pedophile NIT Fcktard here anymore so, yes, the off season has been a success.



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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2023, 03:07:21 PM »
I agree it's not a black and white world, which was exactly why I took issue with characterizing an offseason where we got our two biggest targets by far to return to the program as 'doing a shit job' because we didn't also get the transfer point guard we wanted.

All in all, it was a successful offseason.  Taken as a whole, yes, I think the boosters and staff are probably pretty happy with how the offseason went even though we didn't bat 1.000 - at least if they're moderately reasonable people.  We should be better next year IMO, and we weren't terrible last year.

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Re: 2023-2024 Next Year Roster Expectations
« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2023, 03:28:26 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 15, 2023, 03:07:21 PM
I agree it's not a black and white world, which was exactly why I took issue with characterizing an offseason where we got our two biggest targets by far to return to the program as 'doing a shit job' because we didn't also get the transfer point guard we wanted.

All in all, it was a successful offseason.  Taken as a whole, yes, I think the boosters and staff are probably pretty happy with how the offseason went even though we didn't bat 1.000 - at least if they're moderately reasonable people.  We should be better next year IMO, and we weren't terrible last year.

I actually think that staff are feeling a lot of pressure to make the second weekend of the tournament.
It has been 20 years and will be BU's 7th season here.

Right now we are probably another 20 win and 11-9 BT season and 7-9 seed. Could very well make the S16.
I do not necessarily agree with it, but if we lose first round in NCAA I think Underwood could easily decide to move on or there is mutual agreement to move on.

If we win first game and lose second game he gets another year, but not sure he stays and how long can you stick with a coach who has never won in March?

If we get to S16- he buys 3 years easy.
We get an EE, he can retire here.

Remember he was allegedly looking at other jobs this off season.
Not sure he is that happy with all of the booster involvement and criticism, but that comes with the territory.

 
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