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Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #780 on: December 11, 2024, 11:23:28 AM »
Imagine if Musk were a Democrat appointed by Biden to head an  unaccountable outside agency called dept of government efficiency (doge)?  My understanding is Musk markets a cryptocurrency called doge coin. Something like that. 

Republicans like Jeffords,   Hawley, MTG, et al would be ridiculing the weird personal family issues. Everybody would know about that. The tranny daughter, kids with strange names. The estranged father fathering children with step granddaughters. Musk's bad
 relationship with his dad.

This story about a conflict of interest would be yuge.

He currently has government contracts. Another conflict of interest? 

Conservative influencers would be loudly raising questions about the companies he "founded."

Democrats would feebly try to defend him.
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #781 on: December 11, 2024, 11:37:41 AM »
Whatever you say.

Imagine if a judge criticized other judges for essentially being cowards and said she will "boldly go where no man has gone before... "

Sounds a little progressivey.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #782 on: December 11, 2024, 12:05:53 PM »
From the filing ..

"Defendants argue that rescission is a harsh consequence that would leave
Musk uncompensated. But Musk’s preexisting equity stake provided him tens of
billions of dollars for his efforts. And Defendants have not offered a viable alternative
short of leaving the Grant intact.
On this point, Valeant is instructive.932 There, the plaintiff claimed that the
directors of Valeant Pharmaceuticals International breached their fiduciary duties
by awarding themselves and other executives and employees large cash bonuses in connection with a “later-aborted corporate restructuring."

The performance based equity compensation package is a stock options plan that "... offers Musk the opportunity to secure 12 total tranches of options,
each representing 1% of Tesla’s total outstanding shares as of January 21, 2018. For
a tranche to vest, Tesla’s market capitalization must increase by $50 billion and Tesla
must achieve either an adjusted EBITDA target or a revenue target in four
consecutive fiscal quarters."

Large cash bonuses in one case vs the Musk case with stock options that, it's possible, could have ended up as never seeing an increase in value.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #783 on: December 11, 2024, 02:45:20 PM »
Imagine if Musk were a Democrat appointed by Biden to head an  unaccountable outside agency called dept of government efficiency (doge)?  My understanding is Musk markets a cryptocurrency called doge coin. Something like that. 

Republicans like Jeffords,   Hawley, MTG, et al would be ridiculing the weird personal family issues. Everybody would know about that. The tranny daughter, kids with strange names. The estranged father fathering children with step granddaughters. Musk's bad
 relationship with his dad.

This story about a conflict of interest would be yuge.

He currently has government contracts. Another conflict of interest? 

Conservative influencers would be loudly raising questions about the companies he "founded."

Democrats would feebly try to defend him.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #784 on: December 11, 2024, 02:45:43 PM »
“Excessive,” he worked hard for that money and EARNED it!

Maybe you should DM him and ask him for $10,000.
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #785 on: December 11, 2024, 03:01:40 PM »
Who is covering the legal fees ? Probably not the plaintiff with his 9 shares when this started.
It appears as tho the lawyers did ask for $7.3 billion in legal fees in a suit about Musk's "excessive" pay package.

Jensen Huang compensation last year - 32 million.

He's done a slightly better job than Musk.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #786 on: December 11, 2024, 03:12:00 PM »
From the filing ..

"Defendants argue that rescission is a harsh consequence that would leave
Musk uncompensated. But Musk’s preexisting equity stake provided him tens of
billions of dollars for his efforts. And Defendants have not offered a viable alternative
short of leaving the Grant intact.
On this point, Valeant is instructive.932 There, the plaintiff claimed that the
directors of Valeant Pharmaceuticals International breached their fiduciary duties
by awarding themselves and other executives and employees large cash bonuses in connection with a “later-aborted corporate restructuring."

The performance based equity compensation package is a stock options plan that "... offers Musk the opportunity to secure 12 total tranches of options,
each representing 1% of Tesla’s total outstanding shares as of January 21, 2018. For
a tranche to vest, Tesla’s market capitalization must increase by $50 billion and Tesla
must achieve either an adjusted EBITDA target or a revenue target in four
consecutive fiscal quarters."

Large cash bonuses in one case vs the Musk case with stock options that, it's possible, could have ended up as never seeing an increase in value.

When you get down to it, the Board has a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders, not to the CEO. Their job is the hiring/firing and setting of compensation for the CEO, in the interests of the shareholders.

It's not a big leap to understand that they could have paid Musk substantially less, and he would not have left the company in protest. Tesla is his primary identity. He is also a big shareholder, and if he believes he is key to the company's growth, then it would be in his financial interest to stay at the company lest he put his current stake at risk.

It's also hard to argue that Musk would "work less hard" if he were given less future compensation.

The board is showing complete malfeasance with this pay package. The shareholders would rightly vote them all out. Thing is, you can add Musk's shares and institutional shares and get a majority to keep the board in place because they have internal conflicts of interest. Which is sad because the mutual funds are - by not voting against the board, not being good stewards of THEIR shareholders, since the pay package is to the detriment of Tesla shareholders and that includes the people holding shares in their funds. But they have *personal* incentives to keep things as is.

It's pathetic. While there is presumably some Tesla exposure in any SPY or QQQ I hold, I do not hold any direct shares in Tesla because Tesla is bullshit.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #787 on: December 11, 2024, 04:46:11 PM »
The shareholders voted in favor of the Board's package for Musk.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2024, 04:49:46 PM by No one in Mn »

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #788 on: December 11, 2024, 10:28:09 PM »
The shareholders voted in favor of the Board's package for Musk.

Your lack of reading comprehension is astounding.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #789 on: December 12, 2024, 07:12:49 AM »

The board is showing complete malfeasance with this pay package. The shareholders would rightly vote them all out.

"So, apparently, did shareholders, who voted resoundingly in favor of reconfirming Musk’s 2018 pay package at Tesla’s annual meeting in June."

"Tesla subsequently pointed to the second vote in filings .... this time in a fully informed vote."
https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/column-tesla-bet-shareholder-ratification-save-musks-pay-package-it-lost-bet-2024-12-03/
« Last Edit: December 12, 2024, 07:17:55 AM by No one in Mn »

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #790 on: December 12, 2024, 08:59:01 AM »
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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #791 on: December 12, 2024, 11:16:26 AM »

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SpaceX gets all their money from the Government.
Tesla is a business in large part because of subsidies from the Government.

Musk is spending your money.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #792 on: December 12, 2024, 11:16:48 AM »
"So, apparently, did shareholders, who voted resoundingly in favor of reconfirming Musk’s 2018 pay package at Tesla’s annual meeting in June."

"Tesla subsequently pointed to the second vote in filings .... this time in a fully informed vote."
https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/column-tesla-bet-shareholder-ratification-save-musks-pay-package-it-lost-bet-2024-12-03/

Did you vote in favor of the pay package?

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #793 on: December 12, 2024, 12:16:01 PM »
That's irrelevant but, after voting twice to approve the package, I doubt that shareholders are going to vote the Board out over the Musk compensation package.

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Re: Wtf is Elon Musk doing today?
« Reply #794 on: December 12, 2024, 12:42:17 PM »
That's irrelevant but, after voting twice to approve the package, I doubt that shareholders are going to vote the Board out over the Musk compensation package.

I guess I'm being too subtle.

If you own shares in a mutual fund, then you own Tesla shares. The shares are yours. But the mutual fund votes them for you as a proxy. So the actual shareholders - the people whose money is at risk - aren't voting for the package, the people controlling the money are voting for the package. And they have a conflict of interest, because the firm has a vested interest in executives getting paid more, and they don't own the shares that will be penalized.