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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9975 on: June 04, 2026, 06:11:13 PM »
Is Platner cheerleading and funding genocides? No? Then Platner not nearly as bad.

Hegseth is not funding genocides. Cheerleading the recapture of previously stolen land? Sure. Just like if the First Peoples came back to Itasca and chased your ass out of their townhome!

But who knows what this guy supports (other than his knowingly supporting Nazi tattoo artists)? He has grabbed chicks forcefully before when pissed. At least according to the article.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9976 on: June 04, 2026, 06:31:16 PM »
Hegseth is not funding genocides.

He’s part of the team that is, and he encourages and cheerleads war crimes.

Your stolen land bit isn’t clever, funny, or congruous; and is flat out tired.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9977 on: June 04, 2026, 06:37:24 PM »
He’s part of the team that is, and he encourages and cheerleads war crimes.

Your stolen land bit isn’t clever, funny, or congruous; and is flat out tired.

It is not genocide, it is people taking land back that was stolen from them.

Of course you claim it is all of that since it highlights that you, like the Gazans and Palestinians, are living on stolen land and do not want to give it back. Understandable. But at least admit it. Which you will not.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9978 on: June 04, 2026, 06:48:46 PM »
Hello everyone. Before IlliniRay jumps in, I will.

‘No one is illegal on stolen land’ is associated with progressive and left-wing activist movements, though it is not a universal slogan among all progressives.

The phrase combines two ideas:

‘No one is illegal’ — a slogan used by immigrant-rights advocates who argue that a person's existence or migration status should not make them inherently criminal.

‘On stolen land’ — a reference to the belief that countries such as the United States, Canada, Australia, and others were established through the dispossession of Indigenous peoples.

People who use the slogan are often expressing solidarity with both immigrants and Indigenous communities. It is especially common in some activist, decolonial, socialist, anarchist, and Indigenous-rights circles.

Critics—including many conservatives and some moderates—argue that the slogan oversimplifies complex questions about sovereignty, immigration law, history, and property rights.

Historically:

Gaza is one of the world's oldest continuously inhabited cities, with a history spanning several millennia. In ancient times, the region changed hands many times among different peoples and empires, including the ancient Egyptians, Philistines, Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Arab caliphates, Crusaders, Mamluks, Ottomans, and others.

According to the Hebrew Bible, Gaza was within territory associated with the ancient Israelites, though it was also a major city of the Philistines and was not continuously controlled by Israelite kingdoms.

After antiquity, the area's population and political authorities changed repeatedly over centuries.

The area now called the West Bank includes places of central importance in ancient Jewish history, such as Hebron, Bethlehem, and Jerusalem (though Jerusalem's status is a separate issue).
In antiquity, parts of the region were ruled by the ancient kingdoms of Kingdom of Israel and Kingdom of Judah.
After those kingdoms fell, the region was governed by many successive empires and states over more than two millennia, including the Romans, Byzantines, various Islamic caliphates, Crusaders, Ottomans, and the British.
Following the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, the West Bank came under Jordanian control. After the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel captured the territory from Jordan and has maintained varying degrees of control over it since then.

Similarly, many Jewish and Israeli nationalists argue that the West Bank (often called Judea and Samaria in that context) is part of the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people and that Jews have an enduring historical claim there.

Many Palestinians argue that they and their ancestors have lived in the region for generations and possess rights based on continuous residence, self-determination, and modern international law.

Most historians would distinguish between ancient Israelite presence and modern questions of sovereignty, noting that thousands of years of demographic and political change occurred in between.

It is accurate to say that the region was part of ancient Israelite kingdoms and has deep significance in Jewish history; it is also accurate that many other peoples and states have lived in and governed the area over the intervening centuries.

Historians generally agree that both Jews and Palestinians have deep historical connections to the broader land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, but they disagree on how ancient history should affect modern political claims.

As for Itasca, Illinois, the area was inhabited or used by several Indigenous peoples over time, including groups associated with the Potawatomi, Odawa, Ojibwe, and earlier peoples in the region. Much of northern Illinois was ceded to the United States through treaties in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, often under circumstances that remain controversial.

Some people argue that Indigenous nations retain a moral claim because the land was taken through coercion, unequal treaties, or displacement. Others argue that modern property rights and centuries of subsequent settlement make reopening ownership questions impractical or unjust. Many communities address this history through land acknowledgments, preservation of cultural sites, treaty-rights protections, or compensation rather than transferring ownership of current towns and private property.

Indigenous peoples have a strong historical connection to the land around Itasca.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9979 on: June 04, 2026, 07:04:30 PM »
TL;DR: Tempo sympathizes with land thieves because he is living on stolen land and does not want to have to give it back either.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9980 on: June 04, 2026, 08:16:44 PM »
It is not genocide, it is people taking land back that was stolen from them.


Holy goalpost shift, Batman! A few months ago it wasn’t about taking the land, it was about rooting defeating Hamas. You just showed your deceitful hand. Wow, this is a stunning goal post shift. WTF
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9981 on: June 04, 2026, 08:23:38 PM »
It is not genocide,

There are many experts, organizations, and dictionaries that would disagree with you. I guess The Holocaust wasn’t genocide either since clearly a lot of Jews survived.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9982 on: June 04, 2026, 08:27:46 PM »
The Jews had been out of Judea for 2,000 years and this guy is talking about stolen land. And he makes the asinine point that I should give my house back. He’s the one crying about stolen land from 2,000 years ago.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9983 on: June 04, 2026, 08:32:47 PM »
The UN disagrees with PAMan. And I’m sure he’ll scoff “The U.N.! Ha!” Keep in mind, the U.N. basically created and gave legitimacy to Israel.

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #9984 on: June 04, 2026, 08:37:26 PM »
I should go back to Luxembourg, Scotland, England, and Switzerland and stake my claim to whatever land my ancestors owned. Who knows, I could be quite the real estate magnate.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9985 on: June 04, 2026, 08:40:23 PM »
My ancestors inhabited those lands in the last 150-250 years. My claims should be quite legit.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #9986 on: June 04, 2026, 08:45:53 PM »
I guess Germany was justified in World War II since reclaiming land is a birthright.
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« Reply #9987 on: June 04, 2026, 08:55:54 PM »
Holy goalpost shift, Batman! A few months ago it wasn’t about taking the land, it was about rooting defeating Hamas. You just showed your deceitful hand. Wow, this is a stunning goal post shift. WTF

No it isn't. Said it before. Hamas won't disarm as promised. May as well go to Plan B and just take the land back if the elected officials will not do as they promised. Inactions have consequences.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9988 on: June 04, 2026, 09:01:14 PM »
There are many experts, organizations, and dictionaries that would disagree with you. I guess The Holocaust wasn’t genocide either since clearly a lot of Jews survived.
More misinformation you are spreading and are a flat out liar. We are well used to it.

I must have missed how texting, calling them, and dropping leaflets to the populace warning them to move out as the fight is coming their way meets the definition of genocide. But you do your bit from the safety of your stolen land.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #9989 on: June 04, 2026, 09:05:23 PM »
The Jews had been out of Judea for 2,000 years and this guy is talking about stolen land. And he makes the asinine point that I should give my house back. He’s the one crying about stolen land from 2,000 years ago.

There is a statute of limitations? Doesn't look like it, especially when the land thieves refuse to talk peace. Justice delayed is usually justice denied. Looks like payback is a beeeyotch for the land thieves
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