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WTF is wrong with the left?

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4965 on: May 28, 2024, 11:29:30 AM »
I don't think we're not talking about homeless or unhoused people here.  Thats a whole new can of worms.  We're talking about lower-income and some middle- income households that may be struggling to purchase everyday essentials.

I was throwing in some hyperbole there, but the reality is that the higher your level of income and education, the more likely you will be able to take advantage of the savings you discuss.

Yes, at this point, most of those households you describe do have smart phones such that they can use the apps, but there is also a function of being in the ecosystem where it gets sort of automatic to use them. Not to mention that in wealthier areas like this metro, adoption of that sort of thing by retail is so high, that access to that savings is universal. Every mom and pop diner has an app.

This before we get into things like access to FSA/HSA, etc... We use the buses and trains around here. A lot of lower income people scraping coins out of pockets to pay fares, meanwhile I am able to put pre-tax money into an app on each of our smart phones through my company.

A wild example of how it accelerates, there is a boutique urgent care facility near our office. They contract with the various big firms around the area. If we need an urgent care visit, I can go there, flash my badge, and get treated. No co-pays, paperwork, deductibles, etc... it's like I never went there. The economy of scale for Google/Facebook/Apple to just source that care there, saves the company money.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4966 on: May 28, 2024, 11:31:24 AM »
Yeah just sign up for an app so every company on earth can have all your personal data.  Totally worth it

What exactly is McDonalds gonna do with that information? If you are somehow gonna be tricked into eating more McDonalds because they can target promotions at you, you've already lost.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4967 on: May 28, 2024, 11:36:35 AM »
Per Murph, they can grow their own lettuce or can just eat cake.

This dovetails the same argument I'm making. I have boxes in my backyard, not just raised beds, but these crazy ass raised beds with a tank under the soil that wicks the water up to the roots, increasing yield and lowering water consumption. I have lettuce, tomatoes, beans, spinach, cukes, melons going now, I rotate into the winter as well. It's not that hard - but you need the land.

I do give away a lot of produce at least.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4968 on: May 28, 2024, 11:37:46 AM »
What exactly is McDonalds gonna do with that information? If you are somehow gonna be tricked into eating more McDonalds because they can target promotions at you, you've already lost.

uh, sell it for $?

clearly the rubes are already gullible enough, imagine how valuable that data is to other corps
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4969 on: May 28, 2024, 11:56:01 AM »
I was throwing in some hyperbole there, but the reality is that the higher your level of income and education, the more likely you will be able to take advantage of the savings you discuss.

Yes, at this point, most of those households you describe do have smart phones such that they can use the apps, but there is also a function of being in the ecosystem where it gets sort of automatic to use them. Not to mention that in wealthier areas like this metro, adoption of that sort of thing by retail is so high, that access to that savings is universal. Every mom and pop diner has an app.

This before we get into things like access to FSA/HSA, etc... We use the buses and trains around here. A lot of lower income people scraping coins out of pockets to pay fares, meanwhile I am able to put pre-tax money into an app on each of our smart phones through my company.

A wild example of how it accelerates, there is a boutique urgent care facility near our office. They contract with the various big firms around the area. If we need an urgent care visit, I can go there, flash my badge, and get treated. No co-pays, paperwork, deductibles, etc... it's like I never went there. The economy of scale for Google/Facebook/Apple to just source that care there, saves the company money.

You don’t have to be higher income, live in wealthier area or even have a college education to take advantage of these apps.  I think my HVAC technician and barber are savvier than me about using this technology. 

As to getting the message out about their availability and use, I think the best people to do that are consumer-oriented groups and agencies.  They can provide the pluses and minuses and inform people of the steps they can take to protect their privacy. 
 https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics-computers/privacy/protect-your-privacy-from-the-apps-on-your-phone-a1049648633/






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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4970 on: May 28, 2024, 12:03:51 PM »
I bought a pack of lettuce seeds in January for 3 bucks. I've been eating salad from that 3 bucks from Feb-May. No trans fats involved.

Let’s see those gardens being dug in the inner cities! 😂
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4971 on: May 28, 2024, 12:05:51 PM »
What exactly is McDonalds gonna do with that information? If you are somehow gonna be tricked into eating more McDonalds because they can target promotions at you, you've already lost.

Wait, you don’t think McDonalds sells that data to anybody and everybody?! You’re way more naive than I thought…
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4972 on: May 28, 2024, 12:11:53 PM »
You don’t have to be higher income, live in wealthier area or even have a college education to take advantage of these apps.  I think my HVAC technician and barber are savvier than me about using this technology. 

As to getting the message out about their availability and use, I think the best people to do that are consumer-oriented groups and agencies.  They can provide the pluses and minuses and inform people of the steps they can take to protect their privacy. 
 https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics-computers/privacy/protect-your-privacy-from-the-apps-on-your-phone-a1049648633/

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4973 on: May 28, 2024, 12:12:24 PM »
Wait, you don’t think McDonalds sells that data to anybody and everybody?! You’re way more naive than I thought…

Well, then, stop eating that shit.

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4974 on: May 28, 2024, 12:14:50 PM »
Well, then, stop eating that shit.

I don’t eat it much and sure as hell don’t have the app.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4976 on: May 28, 2024, 02:28:39 PM »
Wait, you don’t think McDonalds sells that data to anybody and everybody?! You’re way more naive than I thought…

If they sell your data, it's only after you sold it to them, for a few pennies off a Fat Mac, you corporate whore

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4977 on: May 28, 2024, 02:32:41 PM »
It’s doable in inner-city neigborhoods, particularly if you go with the community garden approach. 
https://southsideweekly.com/south-side-gardeners-are-growing-more-than-just-food/

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/community-gardening-boon-neighborhoods-crisis/

https://baystatebanner.com/2024/01/31/citys-community-garden-program-supports-fresh-food-environmental-benefits/

Not at scale. A community garden being used by .1% of the neighborhood and is already out of plots with a waiting list...

Just like the preppers who think when it all goes haywire they'll just hunt deer and survive while their non-prepper brethren starve. But if it all goes haywire, hungry people don't need to abide by artificial rules put in by Fish and Game, they can set up traps, don't need to abide by limits, can shoot foals, and the deer go extinct and it doesn't matter how good a hunter you are. Or someone who is hungry just shoots you and takes your kill (or eats YOU).

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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4978 on: May 28, 2024, 02:42:24 PM »


Yes, at this point, most of those households you describe do have smart phones such that they can use the apps,

Meanwhile, Congress is about to defund ACP.  Low income people will still have their smart phone through lifeline, and can keep their notebooks, but their wifi is going away I in a few days.

I just showed some people how to clip coupons for a local grocery store. Got them Amazon Prime at a discount. I guess they can get a library card.
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Re: WTF is wrong with the left?
« Reply #4979 on: May 28, 2024, 02:56:54 PM »
I know you guys aren’t big on the Bible, but it does say (and it’s true) in Deuteronomy 15:7-11 – “Do not be hard on the poor, give generously to them and the Lord will bless you. There will always be poor people.”

No matter what we as a society do to stop poverty, there will always be poor people.
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