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One of the reasons I hate most football coaches

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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #60 on: October 06, 2022, 06:28:52 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 06, 2022, 04:43:20 PM
Tempo would cream his jeans if Fields could put together a second season like this the first 14 games of 2022: A passer rating of 95.4, 3,223 yards, 24 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.

Better numbers than I remembered. Having said that, about 20% of that production was in one game against Tampa when they literally started all rookies in the secondary.

Also, helps having a historically great defense that puts you on short fields and legitimate NFL talent on your line and at WR.
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #61 on: October 06, 2022, 08:36:40 PM »
I’ll give it to you that Fields has significantly more headwind in his second season than Mitch did. But even if we can excuse his laughable stat lines, he also fails the eye test and two different coaching staffs demonstrably have zero trust in him.
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #62 on: October 06, 2022, 08:52:53 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 06, 2022, 08:36:40 PM
I’ll give it to you that Fields has significantly more headwind in his second season than Mitch did. But even if we can excuse his laughable stat lines, he also fails the eye test and two different coaching staffs demonstrably have zero trust in him.

It’s idiotic to say “him.” Maybe they don’t trust everyone around him, either? Sure, he’s been bad a lot more often than not, but it’s way too early to be declaring him a bust. Again, he’s been set up to fail. It’ll damn near be a miracle if he’s any good this year.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #63 on: October 06, 2022, 08:55:35 PM »
And I’ve heard some in-depth analysis that says it’s not all bad. So I’ll hang my hat on that rather than be ReactionaryMan (aka PAMan).
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #64 on: October 06, 2022, 10:50:49 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 06, 2022, 08:55:35 PM
And I’ve heard some in-depth analysis that says it’s not all bad. So I’ll hang my hat on that rather than be ReactionaryMan (aka PAMan).

Trust your eyes, Tempo!
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #65 on: October 07, 2022, 06:52:46 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 06, 2022, 10:50:49 PM
Trust your eyes, Tempo!

I'd rather trust much better trained eyes like Trent Dilfer and Tim Jenkins. They say there is still a lot to be optimistic about.
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #66 on: October 07, 2022, 07:29:29 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 07, 2022, 06:52:46 AM
I'd rather trust much better trained eyes like Trent Dilfer and Tim Jenkins. They say there is still a lot to be optimistic about.

Fair enough, though I don't know who Tim Jenkins is.
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2022, 07:32:06 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 06, 2022, 08:55:35 PM
And I’ve heard some in-depth analysis that says it’s not all bad. So I’ll hang my hat on that rather than be ReactionaryMan (aka PAMan).

Unlike Mitch, I didn't say Fields sucked until after I saw him.playing in the NFL. So I  have that going for me.
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2022, 01:16:38 PM »
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2022, 01:43:51 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 07, 2022, 01:16:38 PM
https://twitter.com/tjenkinselite/status/1577703559407185929

I posted one of his videos earlier. Not sure the last video supports your thesis. All the "good" throws were 1st reads aside from one. He panicked when he had a clean pocket quite a bit. One where he did do his progressions he, properly, ran the ball.
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #70 on: October 07, 2022, 04:22:13 PM »
If Fields is bad this time next year, I’ll be worried. I am not panicking on the kid yet. Again, please give me the extensive list of QBs who were clearly stars before their 14th start. It’s not a very long list.
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2022, 06:30:35 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 07, 2022, 04:22:13 PM
If Fields is bad this time next year, I’ll be worried. I am not panicking on the kid yet. Again, please give me the extensive list of QBs who were clearly stars before their 14th start. It’s not a very long list.

Fair enough on the timing. I just think I have seen enough at this point.

The issue is not "who were clearly stars before their 14th start" it is who showed they had the skills to clearly be NFL keepers before their 14th start.  Don't guys in the NFL all have "great" arms? (There are obviously exceptions.) Isn't the issue who has what it takes "between the ears - football wise" and has the mechanics to consistently release the ball quickly, accurately, etc., the ability to read defenses, set up blocking schemes when there is a blitz, etc. etc.? Even Mitch showed that he had an arm and could make plays. You could even argue that Mitch had some better physical skills than guys like Roethlisberger and Brees. Yet, he isn't comparable in the least. Fields has not shown he is, either.
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Re: One of the reasons I hate most football coaches
« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2022, 07:04:52 PM »
Justin Fields has every “skill” you could want in a QB. It’s just a matter of putting it together.
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« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2022, 07:05:47 PM »
You’re worried about Fields’ arm strength? I have to wonder what you’re actually watching when it comes to him.
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« Reply #74 on: October 07, 2022, 07:08:03 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 07, 2022, 06:30:35 PM
Fair enough on the timing. I just think I have seen enough at this point.

The issue is not "who were clearly stars before their 14th start" it is who showed they had the skills to clearly be NFL keepers before their 14th start.  Don't guys in the NFL all have "great" arms? (There are obviously exceptions.) Isn't the issue who has what it takes "between the ears - football wise" and has the mechanics to consistently release the ball quickly, accurately, etc., the ability to read defenses, set up blocking schemes when there is a blitz, etc. etc.? Even Mitch showed that he had an arm and could make plays. You could even argue that Mitch had some better physical skills than guys like Roethlisberger and Brees. Yet, he isn't comparable in the least. Fields has not shown he is, either.

Again, piss poor coaching. Piss poor line play. Piss poor receiving corps. Hands down the worst in the league. I’m reserving judgment until he gets better or gets some help. My goal for this year is to just see him get better and finish the year healthy. Those would both be big wins.
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