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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1500 on: December 02, 2022, 09:55:07 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 02, 2022, 09:46:00 PM
You want the Bear to be a successful franchise like the Lion. We get it.

No, more like the other franchises that turned draft assets into gold. There are numerous examples.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1501 on: December 02, 2022, 09:56:54 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2022, 09:55:07 PM
No, more like the other franchises that turned draft assets into gold. There are numerous examples.

Goalposts moved. Got it.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1502 on: December 02, 2022, 09:58:27 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 02, 2022, 09:56:54 PM
Goalposts moved. Got it.

You make zero fucking sense. Less as time goes by. There is zero evidence to suggest a win against the Lions to go 4-8 is better than getting a higher draft pick. None whatsoever.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1503 on: December 02, 2022, 10:47:50 PM »
It just gets harder and harder each year to care about a sport where teams are incentivized to lose. And guess what? The teams that suck the worst usually still suck anyways.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1504 on: December 02, 2022, 10:51:13 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2022, 09:58:27 PM
You make zero fucking sense. Less as time goes by. There is zero evidence to suggest a win against the Lions to go 4-8 is better than getting a higher draft pick. None whatsoever.

There is zero evidence that the Bear will be any better next year by blowing 14 point 4th quarter leads this year even with the higher draft pick.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1505 on: December 02, 2022, 11:09:03 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 02, 2022, 10:51:13 PM
There is zero evidence that the Bear will be any better next year by blowing 14 point 4th quarter leads this year even with the higher draft pick.

Time will tell. There’s also zero evidence going 6-11 would help them.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1506 on: December 02, 2022, 11:18:10 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 02, 2022, 11:09:03 PM
Time will tell. There’s also zero evidence going 6-11 would help them.

Besides that it would mean the mopes who are going to be around the next couple of years actually played better?
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1507 on: December 03, 2022, 05:22:57 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 02, 2022, 11:18:10 PM
Besides that it would mean the mopes who are going to be around the next couple of years actually played better?

Ugh, had a whole paragraph response typed and somehow lost it. Anyway, the gist of it was we’ve seen 3-13 teams go 13-3 the next year or within 2 years. The 2017 Bears were 5-11 and went 12-4 in 2018. And those turnarounds had nothing to do win mythical golden wins that occurred the year before.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1508 on: December 03, 2022, 05:31:56 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2022, 05:22:57 AM
Ugh, had a whole paragraph response typed and somehow lost it. Anyway, the gist of it was we’ve seen 3-13 teams go 13-3 the next year or within 2 years. The 2017 Bears were 5-11 and went 12-4 in 2018. And those turnarounds had nothing to do win mythical golden wins that occurred the year before.

Already had some players that could make plays and then got the favorable schedule after being crappy.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1509 on: December 03, 2022, 05:39:35 AM »
Imagine valuing a win against the Lions or Packers in a 3-9 season over the right to draft CJ Stroud or Bryce Young, which you could turn into multiple high draft picks. 
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1510 on: December 03, 2022, 05:45:08 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 02, 2022, 11:18:10 PM
Besides that it would mean the mopes who are going to be around the next couple of years actually played better?

Again, I refer you to 1997 when they “finished strong,” lost out on Peyton Manning, then went 4-12 the next year.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1511 on: December 03, 2022, 05:48:32 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 03, 2022, 05:31:56 AM
Already had some players that could make plays and then got the favorable schedule after being crappy.

That’s reasonable enough, and it had absolutely zero to do with any “wins” they accrued in 2017.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1512 on: December 03, 2022, 05:49:10 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2022, 05:39:35 AM
Imagine valuing a win against the Lions or Packers in a 3-9 season over the right to draft CJ Stroud or Bryce Young, which you could turn into multiple high draft picks.

Stroud sucks, like all OSU QBs. Mike Tomczak looking make the best of a bad bunch.

Again, you have missed the point about the blowing of a 14 point 4th quarter lead. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1513 on: December 03, 2022, 05:49:22 AM »
In fact, losing helped them because they got the easier schedule out of it.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1514 on: December 03, 2022, 05:50:05 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2022, 05:48:32 AM
That’s reasonable enough, and it had absolutely zero to do with any “wins” they accrued in 2017.

Excluding that said players showing they could make plays to actually win a game, sure.
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