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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1350 on: November 23, 2022, 02:04:32 PM »
Per ESPN per Justin Fields Christ, JFC has separated shoulder with partial torn ligaments, "basically an AC joint" injury.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1351 on: November 23, 2022, 02:09:56 PM »
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Per ESPN per Justin Fields Christ, JFC has separated shoulder with partial torn ligaments, "basically an AC joint" injury.

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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1352 on: November 23, 2022, 03:00:59 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 23, 2022, 02:04:32 PM
Per ESPN per Justin Fields Christ, JFC has separated shoulder with partial torn ligaments, "basically an AC joint" injury.

I’m sure Flus was thrilled about Justin Fields Christ being so non-secretive about his injury.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1353 on: November 23, 2022, 03:17:09 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on November 23, 2022, 03:00:59 PM
I’m sure Flus was thrilled about Justin Fields Christ being so non-secretive about his injury.

Huh?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1354 on: November 25, 2022, 01:38:04 PM »
This went under the radar. Lucas Patrick done for the year. Probably has played his last down with the Bears.

A few days ago I asked the PAMan how many of the offensive line and receivers he wants as long term starters. He demurred (shocker). I’ll go ahead and answer my own question. On the offensive line, I’m probably ok with Tevin Jenkins at RG. Outside of that, everyone needs to be replaced (or improve fairly dramatically).

For the sake of this debate we will say 3 WR sets count as starters. I’m ok with Claypool and Mooney (but not enthusiasticly). But if there isn’t a WR on the roster better than them, that is a problem. Cole Kmet is fine. He’s a decent player. Don’t think I see All-Pro in his future.

Speaking of which, how many future (1st team) Pro-Bowlers are there in the OL or Receiver room? If I was betting, I’d say zero.

So to sum it up, we have 3-4 usable pieces (with not much visible upside), and about 5 players that probably need to be replaced outright.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-center-lucas-patrick-shut-down-rest-2022-nfl-season?amp
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1355 on: November 25, 2022, 01:56:24 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 25, 2022, 01:38:04 PM
This went under the radar. Lucas Patrick done for the year. Probably has played his last down with the Bears.

A few days ago I asked the PAMan how many of the offensive line and receivers he wants as long term starters. He demurred (shocker). I’ll go ahead and answer my own question. On the offensive line, I’m probably ok with Tevin Jenkins at RG. Outside of that, everyone needs to be replaced (or improve fairly dramatically).

For the sake of this debate we will say 3 WR sets count as starters. I’m ok with Claypool and Mooney (but not enthusiasticly). But if there isn’t a WR on the roster better than them, that is a problem. Cole Kmet is fine. He’s a decent player. Don’t think I see All-Pro in his future.

Speaking of which, how many future (1st team) Pro-Bowlers are there in the OL or Receiver room? If I was betting, I’d say zero.

So to sum it up, we have 3-4 usable pieces (with not much visible upside), and about 5 players that probably need to be replaced outright.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/bears-center-lucas-patrick-shut-down-rest-2022-nfl-season?amp

Apparently we are not talking about a realistic roster construction if you are getting rid of 4 O lineman in one year. If we are NOT talking realistically. I'd get rid of every lineman except Jenkins, every wideout except Mooney, keep Kmet and the RBs, and go get a real QB. Completely unrealistic, but there it is. If we are dealing in reality, let me know.

And what's with the "improve fairly dramatically" part? It seems like a no brainer that they all need to improve dramatically in pass blocking or need to be replaced.

Will you get to my question about what offense Getsy was supposed to run given Fields' (and the line's) passing deficiencies? Seems like he started running the wing because of said deficiencies.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1356 on: November 25, 2022, 02:02:10 PM »
Note: The Ram replaced 4? O lineman this year and it does not appear to be working well.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1357 on: November 25, 2022, 02:58:40 PM »
I didn’t say 4 would be replaced. I said it would be ideal for 4 to be replaced. We know that’s not very likely. So a decent amount of the trash will still be here next year.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1358 on: November 25, 2022, 02:59:58 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 25, 2022, 02:58:40 PM
I didn’t say 4 would be replaced. I said it would be ideal for 4 to be replaced. We know that’s not very likely. So a decent amount of the trash will still be here next year.

So which reality am I supposed to look at this: Reality or Tempo Reality?
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1359 on: November 25, 2022, 03:01:42 PM »
Let’s say someone “improves fairly dramatically,” they can stay. I don’t see where that’s confusing. There’s a couple of players (mostly Jones and Borom) who I don’t think the book is entirely written on. Jones could be a decent player, it might not be at LT. Borom isn’t terrible, but still young enough to get better.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1360 on: November 25, 2022, 03:05:09 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 25, 2022, 02:59:58 PM
So which reality am I supposed to look at this: Reality or Tempo Reality?

The question is pretty simple. Who do you envision or more importantly “want” as long-term answers. It’s not that hard. Again, there a few young players who’s careers aren’t yet defined. Jones and Borom have the potential to be good players, but I wouldn’t label them that as of yet. Kmet. Is he actually “good?” That’s yet to be determined. He’s at last good enough for now, because he’s going to have to be. I don’t see them going hard at TE in the draft or FA. Too many other needs.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1361 on: November 25, 2022, 03:21:08 PM »
The point of the exercise isn’t rebuilding the roster next year. It’s “who do you feel good about long term?”
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1362 on: November 25, 2022, 04:35:21 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 25, 2022, 03:01:42 PM
Let’s say someone “improves fairly dramatically,” they can stay. I don’t see where that’s confusing. There’s a couple of players (mostly Jones and Borom) who I don’t think the book is entirely written on. Jones could be a decent player, it might not be at LT. Borom isn’t terrible, but still young enough to get better.

I think it is a given if they substantially improve they will stay. How do we know now, for this discussion, who is going to improve substantially? I am thinking both of us think Tevin has the ability to improve.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1363 on: November 25, 2022, 04:36:00 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 25, 2022, 03:21:08 PM
The point of the exercise isn’t rebuilding the roster next year. It’s “who do you feel good about long term?”

Oh. I did not get that out of the question.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #1364 on: November 25, 2022, 04:36:55 PM »
Where do I find the FA listing to be able to do this?
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