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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #165 on: September 19, 2022, 12:06:26 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 19, 2022, 10:01:41 AM
ManBunAntiVaxxer Guy was bitching about his shitty receivers over the past month, as usual. Bear made them look like All-Pros.
Jimmy, the All Pro qb, letting the wr Joes and the other Joes know how to play the game of football.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #166 on: September 19, 2022, 01:37:03 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 19, 2022, 10:01:41 AM
ManBunAntiVaxxer Guy was bitching about his shitty receivers over the past month, as usual. Bear made them look like All-Pros.

They picked on Gordon and Vildor and didn’t even bother targeting Jaylon Johnson.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #167 on: September 21, 2022, 07:05:45 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 19, 2022, 07:20:05 AM
The running was not the problem. The Packer ran the ball at will. The problem was the inability to throw the ball off the run (play action, etc.). Packer had no issue, as usual, throwing the ball off the run.

Despite being down two touchdowns on the road to Aaron Rodgers since the 2nd quarter, they only threw the ball 9 times (when it mattered). That’s not gonna get it done.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #168 on: September 21, 2022, 07:08:00 AM »
Obviously, the rain game is part of it, but the Bears have 28 pass attempts in two games. Every other team in the league has at least 28 completions.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #169 on: September 21, 2022, 07:29:56 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 21, 2022, 07:08:00 AM
Obviously, the rain game is part of it, but the Bears have 28 pass attempts in two games. Every other team in the league has at least 28 completions.

It is as if they know Mitch Fields isn't any good.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #170 on: September 21, 2022, 07:56:26 AM »
I'm definitely allowing for the possibility that Fields isn't any good.  I want to see his numbers after 30 starts.  That usually tells you what kind of qb you have.

Sure, the Nagy thing was a joke, but this is 2 coaching staffs now that don't seem to trust him.  Red flag city.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #171 on: September 21, 2022, 08:25:41 AM »
I found this part of the article to be very interesting…

“There’s a question of why Fields looked hesitant to make throws in Green Bay. Could it be the pressure he’s facing? The quarterback has the highest pressure percentage in the NFL at 56%. But he’s also had the longest average time before passing in the NFL at 3.26 seconds.

And it's not a question of the Bears' receivers getting open. The average separation on Fields’ targets is 3.93 yards, the fourth-highest rate in the NFL according to Next Gen Stats.

But Fields’ accuracy comes into question as his off-target percentage is just under 30%, which is the second-highest in the NFL.”

Here’s the whole article…

https://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4711500/chicago-bears-passing-game-is-off-to-rocky-start-as-justin-fields-and-top-weapons-have-yet-to-click
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #172 on: September 21, 2022, 11:52:52 AM »
I typed a message along the lines of “Is anyone ready to discuss the idea that Justin Fields probably sucks?” the other day and then decided not to post it. Glad someone else took the lead.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #173 on: September 21, 2022, 11:59:46 AM »
Yeah, I’m wavering on the belief that he’s a franchise QB. Just not sure at this point and you almost have to take a OC or HC word based on them seeing the player everyday. Especially when it’s two different staffs. Our OC had Rodgers as a QB for Christ sake, so I’m sure he knows who/what a good QB is you’d think…
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #174 on: September 21, 2022, 01:03:52 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on September 21, 2022, 08:25:41 AM
I found this part of the article to be very interesting…

“There’s a question of why Fields looked hesitant to make throws in Green Bay. Could it be the pressure he’s facing? The quarterback has the highest pressure percentage in the NFL at 56%. But he’s also had the longest average time before passing in the NFL at 3.26 seconds.

And it's not a question of the Bears' receivers getting open. The average separation on Fields’ targets is 3.93 yards, the fourth-highest rate in the NFL according to Next Gen Stats.

But Fields’ accuracy comes into question as his off-target percentage is just under 30%, which is the second-highest in the NFL.”

Here’s the whole article…

https://www.espn.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4711500/chicago-bears-passing-game-is-off-to-rocky-start-as-justin-fields-and-top-weapons-have-yet-to-click

Not defending Fields, as I was wary of him before the season started. But two games in, against two 2021 playoff teams and with one game after a full rainstorm, is probably not the time to roll with a bunch of stat-based conclusions. Particularly the one about target separation, as that seems to be a positive. Do we want him throwing to people who haven't achieved separation? Admittedly the accuracy rate is far too low. And his inability to spot open receivers is a bad sign. But I'm not ready to stretch two games of stats over a 17-game season.

Also, note to ESPN: The game against Baltimore last year was in Chicago. And in referencing that, I noticed the goofy "win probability" thing that had the Bears at almost a 100 percent win probability when the Ravens had the ball and 1:41 on the clock. Sorry, but no one is dead in the water down by 4 with 1:41 on the clock. It looks idiotic to have a win probability chart that is almost 100 percent for one team and then shoots up to 100 percent for the other team almost no time later.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #175 on: September 21, 2022, 01:36:00 PM »
Quote from: IVMP on September 21, 2022, 01:03:52 PM
Not defending Fields, as I was wary of him before the season started. But two games in, against two 2021 playoff teams and with one game after a full rainstorm, is probably not the time to roll with a bunch of stat-based conclusions. Particularly the one about target separation, as that seems to be a positive. Do we want him throwing to people who haven't achieved separation? Admittedly the accuracy rate is far too low. And his inability to spot open receivers is a bad sign. But I'm not ready to stretch two games of stats over a 17-game season.

Also, note to ESPN: The game against Baltimore last year was in Chicago. And in referencing that, I noticed the goofy "win probability" thing that had the Bears at almost a 100 percent win probability when the Ravens had the ball and 1:41 on the clock. Sorry, but no one is dead in the water down by 4 with 1:41 on the clock. It looks idiotic to have a win probability chart that is almost 100 percent for one team and then shoots up to 100 percent for the other team almost no time later.

You can't be Ahead Of The Curve if you cannot make snap assessments.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #176 on: September 21, 2022, 03:02:31 PM »
Quote from: IVMP on September 21, 2022, 01:03:52 PM
Not defending Fields, as I was wary of him before the season started. But two games in, against two 2021 playoff teams and with one game after a full rainstorm, is probably not the time to roll with a bunch of stat-based conclusions. Particularly the one about target separation, as that seems to be a positive. Do we want him throwing to people who haven't achieved separation? Admittedly the accuracy rate is far too low. And his inability to spot open receivers is a bad sign. But I'm not ready to stretch two games of stats over a 17-game season.

Also, note to ESPN: The game against Baltimore last year was in Chicago. And in referencing that, I noticed the goofy "win probability" thing that had the Bears at almost a 100 percent win probability when the Ravens had the ball and 1:41 on the clock. Sorry, but no one is dead in the water down by 4 with 1:41 on the clock. It looks idiotic to have a win probability chart that is almost 100 percent for one team and then shoots up to 100 percent for the other team almost no time later.

ESPN does not care.  It's obvious. 

Pro tip: Pay zero attention to ESPN, other than to watch a game.  It's pretty much a joke.

30 games started.  That will tell you what you need to know.  Regardless of how shitty the team is. 

Did you see any of Mitch this past Sunday? Same old shit.  He is what he is.  A dipshit that doesn't seem to know that you can throw the ball away if you're outside the pocket.

With that being said, over the last 2 weeks, Fields looks like he has a ways to go before he's as good as Mitch.  And that is not a good thing.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #177 on: September 22, 2022, 02:12:35 PM »
I don't give ESPN much credibility. However, too many people buy into these made-up stats and think they prove something. Again, not blasting on the person who posted the link or the idea that Fields is well below standards. In the spring, I said I was wary of Fields' lack of development last year.
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« Reply #178 on: September 22, 2022, 04:40:20 PM »
My main issue with Fields is that he holds the ball too long like he thinks he’s still at Ohio St. facing a defense from Directional Bumfuck University. Now a lot of that is on the coaches for trying to make him something he’s not. Get him out of the pocket with rollouts, boot legs, play action, whatever. Let him do what he does best.

Receivers aren’t getting open? Scheme them open. Run pick plays. Everyone in the league does it except the Bears. This goddamn franchise is BTC on everything.
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Re: 2023 Bears
« Reply #179 on: September 24, 2022, 04:41:48 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on September 21, 2022, 07:56:26 AM
I'm definitely allowing for the possibility that Fields isn't any good.  I want to see his numbers after 30 starts.  That usually tells you what kind of qb you have.

Sure, the Nagy thing was a joke, but this is 2 coaching staffs now that don't seem to trust him.  Red flag city.

I agree with the 30 starts. 30-36 is a good number. People expect too much from players who’ve started only 10-12 games. Been watching football for 40 years and I bet I can name maybe 6-7 QBs who were obvious superstars after 12 starts. Sure, many had the “talent,” but few played at a high level that early.

It’s possible that Fields isn’t the one they “don’t trust.” Maybe they don’t trust what might be the worst pass blocking line in the league, which is also tied to hands down the worst receiving corps in the league? I’d be willing to bet Ohio State, LSU, and Alabama have had better receiving corps the last few years than the Bears do now.
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