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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #105 on: October 06, 2020, 03:52:24 PM »
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #106 on: October 06, 2020, 04:02:58 PM »
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #107 on: October 06, 2020, 04:21:13 PM »
Taking nichi’s advice and listening to WLS this afternoon. Shapiro absolutely skewering Trump
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #108 on: October 06, 2020, 04:28:55 PM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on October 06, 2020, 04:02:58 PM
Fuck this miserable year.  RIP EVH.

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #109 on: October 06, 2020, 04:50:17 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 06, 2020, 04:21:13 PM
Taking nichi’s advice and listening to WLS this afternoon. Shapiro absolutely skewering Trump
Ben Shapiro? Asking for an ex-pat
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #110 on: October 06, 2020, 05:39:57 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on October 06, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
Ben Shapiro? Asking for an ex-pat

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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2020, 10:24:51 AM »
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2020, 10:33:52 AM »
Quote from: Custard on October 06, 2020, 04:21:13 PM
Taking nichi’s advice and listening to WLS this afternoon. Shapiro absolutely skewering Trump

Dude has a semi-functioning conscience.  He gets a lot more wrong than right, but he makes an effort to be honest. 

Mancow is Mancow. Plante is an idiot and liar. Rush and Levin tell lie after lie with no remorse. I've never listened to Howell.   
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #113 on: October 07, 2020, 01:36:26 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 07, 2020, 10:33:52 AM
Dude has a semi-functioning conscience.  He gets a lot more wrong than right, but he makes an effort to be honest. 

Mancow is Mancow. Plante is an idiot and liar. Rush and Levin tell lie after lie with no remorse. I've never listened to Howell.   

Their only conscience is money. None of them have any real functional skills, so they have found a grift. I mean, Limbaugh at least was a real broadcaster until he saw a path to major bucks, but a lot of this new crew would be homeless if they needed to do any productive work

Rush has an established listener base and makes the most money for the rest of his short life by staying the course.

Shapiro is hedging his bets because he's sensing he may be betting on the wrong horse.
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #114 on: October 07, 2020, 01:37:54 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 07, 2020, 10:33:52 AM
Dude has a semi-functioning conscience.  He gets a lot more wrong than right, but he makes an effort to be honest. 

Mancow is Mancow. Plante is an idiot and liar. Rush and Levin tell lie after lie with no remorse. I've never listened to Howell.   

Where do you disagree with Shapiro?  As someone who considers yourself a conservative, I’m genuinely curious just who you align with.

Mancow has always been a childish Howard Stern knockoff. I remember listening to his show on 103.5 The Blaze (now Chicago’s LGBTQ+ Voice) on my way to high school the morning Chris Farley was found dead.

Rush from what little I’ve heard is unlistenable. I remember when he was a big deal back in the 90s though.

Never heard the other guys.
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #115 on: October 07, 2020, 03:37:45 PM »
Quote from: Custard on October 07, 2020, 01:37:54 PM
Where do you disagree with Shapiro?  As someone who considers yourself a conservative, I’m genuinely curious just who you align with.

I believe in capitalism -- private enterprise and free markets -- as the default settings. Most of the time, that is going to produce the most goods and services at the lowest price. We do need some regulation to protect against predatory practices. Moreover, we should be prepared to consider some degree of public ownership and / or central planning when free markets fail. In fact, we do that. The main areas where private ownership & free markets don't work all that well are healthcare & healthcare financing, transportation, and education. It is no coincidence we have made huge public investments in all 3.

I am not familiar offhand with Shapiro's take on public education or transportation, but I know he repeatedly says free markets are the solution for healthcare; which is utter nonsense.  Few could afford healthcare without healthcare financing, but insurance has to be radically repurposed and heavily regulated to serve as an effective healthcare financing tool.  Most people are either insured through Employer Sponsored Insurance (ESI) or Medicare, both of which are government programs that would not exist as such in a free market. ESI is less of a government program, but it is still shaped by government regulations and is partially financed by tax subsidies.   

Also, on climate change, Shapiro sounds relatively reasonable compared to the outright deniers, but, in the end, he is more wrong than not.   

Overall, he strikes me as a reasonable sounding ideologue who believes in Capitalism as dogma. I am more of a pragmatist who recognizes that, despite some excesses and limitations, capitalism is the best economic system we've got. We just have to mitigate against those excesses and limitations as appropriate.           
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #116 on: October 07, 2020, 05:03:22 PM »
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #117 on: October 07, 2020, 08:59:12 PM »
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #118 on: October 07, 2020, 10:38:19 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 07, 2020, 03:37:45 PM
I believe in capitalism -- private enterprise and free markets -- as the default settings. Most of the time, that is going to produce the most goods and services at the lowest price. We do need some regulation to protect against predatory practices. Moreover, we should be prepared to consider some degree of public ownership and / or central planning when free markets fail. In fact, we do that. The main areas where private ownership & free markets don't work all that well are healthcare & healthcare financing, transportation, and education. It is no coincidence we have made huge public investments in all 3.

I am not familiar offhand with Shapiro's take on public education or transportation, but I know he repeatedly says free markets are the solution for healthcare; which is utter nonsense.  Few could afford healthcare without healthcare financing, but insurance has to be radically repurposed and heavily regulated to serve as an effective healthcare financing tool.  Most people are either insured through Employer Sponsored Insurance (ESI) or Medicare, both of which are government programs that would not exist as such in a free market. ESI is less of a government program, but it is still shaped by government regulations and is partially financed by tax subsidies.   

Also, on climate change, Shapiro sounds relatively reasonable compared to the outright deniers, but, in the end, he is more wrong than not.   

Overall, he strikes me as a reasonable sounding ideologue who believes in Capitalism as dogma. I am more of a pragmatist who recognizes that, despite some excesses and limitations, capitalism is the best economic system we've got. We just have to mitigate against those excesses and limitations as appropriate.         

The issue with Capitalism is externalities. A free market would in fact produce the best outcomes given nominally rational actors - but in a real system you can do things like dump a bunch of crap in a river - which would be a cost of doing business that you would need to account for, but if the cleanup of the river is in fact paid for by people downstream from you, it's not really a free market, it's a corrupt market, where you take some of your costs of production and have them paid for by someone else.

It's a simple thing for government to deal with externalities - you have to pay for your waste, air pollution, pay a proportionate cost for your use of roadways and the CO2 pollution caused by that, etc... then we would be able to correct for those costs.

Would we do that, a lot of US industries would be a lot more competitive internal to the US because Chinese competitors would have to pay the true cost of their shipping. But that would be a problem for US oil companies, so we don't do that.
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Re: What are you listening to?
« Reply #119 on: October 08, 2020, 12:35:24 AM »
Libertarianism and environmentalism are not mutually exclusive. They are, in fact, conjoined.
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