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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Wanting America to be better is not America-hating, it’s patriotism.

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Wanting America to be better is not America-hating, it’s patriotism.

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From instructions in the urgent concern whistleblower form that was submitted in August 2019.
This appears to be just one of the reasons that Schiff withheld the transcript of IC IG Michael Atkinson. There appear to be many more.



It's in black and white. "The IC IG cannot transmit information ...received from another person. "

A couple of interviews later and the form was changed to allow for second hand information to circumvent the first hand information requirement in the form that was actually submitted.
The whistleblower was given a verbal version of the Trump-Zelenskyy call by someone authorized to be in on the call. 15 or so other people were also authorized to be in on the call and none filed a complaint.

The whistleblower's memorandum of July 26 included that his call with his source lasted only a few minutes and he got only the highlights. The memorandum includes that he did not review a transcript or written notes but the official that he had spoken to informed him that they do exist.

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We are in FDR territory!!!!

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-health-fears-legs-1796317

Trump faces fresh health fears as he sparks 'leg brace' theory after adopting wild stance
New images of Donald Trump have sparked fresh speculation about his health as he's accused of wearing a hidden leg brace or struggling with his balance after adopting a strange stance
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Based on the 2019 complaint, the primary whistleblower regarding President Trump’s call with Ukraine's leader did not have firsthand knowledge of the conversation, relying instead on information from multiple government officials. However, the Intelligence Community Inspector General deemed the complaint "credible" and "urgent".

*Initial Complaint: The initial whistleblower, a CIA officer detailed to the White House, indicated in their formal complaint that they were not a direct witness to the call, according to the PBS report on the complaint.

*Corroboration: While the initial report was based on second-hand information, its core allegations were later corroborated by a White House-released memorandum of the call and testimony from officials who were present.

*Second Whistleblower: Shortly after the initial complaint, a second whistleblower came forward, who was a member of the intelligence community with firsthand knowledge of some of the allegations.

*Legality of Second-Hand Reports: The National Whistleblower Center notes that, generally, whistleblowers are not required to have first-hand information.

In September 2019, the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) revised its "Disclosure of Urgent Concern" form to remove a requirement that whistleblowers have first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoing.

Key Aspects of the Form Revision:

*Previous Requirement: Prior to the update, the form (approved in May 2018) included a section titled "First-Hand Information Required," stating that the ICIG could not transmit information via the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) based on an employee's second-hand knowledge.

*The Change: The revised form, noted as updated in August 2019, removed this requirement, instead allowing for second-hand information by asking if the complainant had "direct and personal knowledge" or "heard about it from others".

*Timing: The revision occurred shortly before the submission of the complaint that triggered the 2019 impeachment of President Donald Trump, which was largely based on second-hand information.

ICIG and Legal Response:

*ICIG Statement: The ICIG stated that the change was made in response to media inquiries and that "certain language in those forms... could be read – incorrectly – as suggesting that whistleblowers must possess firsthand information".

*Legal Interpretation: The ICIG stated that the law does not require first-hand information for a complaint to be considered credible, and therefore the ICIG cannot add that condition.

*Controversy: Critics, including members of Congress, argued that removing the first-hand knowledge requirement diluted the credibility standards for whistleblowers.

While some reports initially stated the form was changed to bypass the first-hand rule, the ICIG maintained that the whistleblower in the Trump case actually submitted their complaint on the older version of the form, though the guidance and form materials were updated around the same time.
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Based on the 2019 complaint, the primary whistleblower regarding President Trump’s call with Ukraine's leader did not have firsthand knowledge of the conversation, relying instead on information from multiple government officials. However, the Intelligence Community Inspector General deemed the complaint "credible" and "urgent".

*Initial Complaint: The initial whistleblower, a CIA officer detailed to the White House, indicated in their formal complaint that they were not a direct witness to the call, according to the PBS report on the complaint.

*Corroboration: While the initial report was based on second-hand information, its core allegations were later corroborated by a White House-released memorandum of the call and testimony from officials who were present.

*Second Whistleblower: Shortly after the initial complaint, a second whistleblower came forward, who was a member of the intelligence community with firsthand knowledge of some of the allegations.

*Legality of Second-Hand Reports: The National Whistleblower Center notes that, generally, whistleblowers are not required to have first-hand information.

In September 2019, the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) revised its "Disclosure of Urgent Concern" form to remove a requirement that whistleblowers have first-hand knowledge of alleged wrongdoing.

Key Aspects of the Form Revision:

*Previous Requirement: Prior to the update, the form (approved in May 2018) included a section titled "First-Hand Information Required," stating that the ICIG could not transmit information via the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) based on an employee's second-hand knowledge.

*The Change: The revised form, noted as updated in August 2019, removed this requirement, instead allowing for second-hand information by asking if the complainant had "direct and personal knowledge" or "heard about it from others".

*Timing: The revision occurred shortly before the submission of the complaint that triggered the 2019 impeachment of President Donald Trump, which was largely based on second-hand information.

ICIG and Legal Response:

*ICIG Statement: The ICIG stated that the change was made in response to media inquiries and that "certain language in those forms... could be read – incorrectly – as suggesting that whistleblowers must possess firsthand information".

*Legal Interpretation: The ICIG stated that the law does not require first-hand information for a complaint to be considered credible, and therefore the ICIG cannot add that condition.

*Controversy: Critics, including members of Congress, argued that removing the first-hand knowledge requirement diluted the credibility standards for whistleblowers.

While some reports initially stated the form was changed to bypass the first-hand rule, the ICIG maintained that the whistleblower in the Trump case actually submitted their complaint on the older version of the form, though the guidance and form materials were updated around the same time.
Your AI didn't read the IC IG transcript. ;D
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Your AI didn't read the IC IG transcript. ;D

The transcript was posted by someone in Pakistan therefore your argument is false on its face

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I’m sure Mn thinks this is a nothingburger.

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The transcript was posted by someone in Pakistan therefore your argument is false on its face

Unlike the Iranian propaganda you all love so much, Mn’s sources originate here in the USA. Love it or leave it, but quit buying into AI slop that undermines the progress we’ve made there. 
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Unlike the Iranian propaganda you all love so much, Mn’s sources originate here in the USA. Love it or leave it, but quit buying into AI slop that undermines the progress we’ve made there.

Someone stating historical facts isn’t “AI slop.”
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I’m sure Mn thinks this is a nothingburger.



Do you know how many dollars worth of oil get traded nearly every hour of every day and how easy it would be to try and draw a pattern from timing? Especially when fundamentals suggest oil may be overpriced currently. Maybe they are insider trading, but this is a loooong ways from a smoking gun.

Even as dumb as you think Trump is, they’d do a better job of covering their tracks when there is already supposedly an investigation into this.
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“Supposedly.” Who’s performing the investigation?
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Well that’s a bummer. But then again consumer prices didn’t go up even remotely the way the left said they would because exporters and importers ate a lot of it. You all think that no one is capable of adjusting to things in the real world and that everything happens in a vacuum. The markets and the people that serve them are smarter and more nimble than you think. Just like Hormuz. Supply lines are adjusting. It’s not an in-perpetuity thing.
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“Supposedly.” Who’s performing the investigation?

Idk. You or someone else posted something the other day that they were investigating insider trading based on market moving comments on oil, something like this happened a few weeks ago. According to Rogin’s post it’s happened three times now.

I’d like to see something that indicates it’s anomalous and not just cherry picking coincidental trades and making it look like insider trading. 
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