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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Fuck with your largest market. Sounds profitable.

The leaders bitch and whine and moan and frown but ultimately they do what Trump wants once the cameras and mics are turned off.

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Yes, Donald Trump’s threats and actions—particularly during his second term starting in 2025—have directly prompted European NATO leaders to take significant steps toward increasing defense spending. This builds on pressures from his first term (2017-2021), but the 2025 escalations, including tariff threats and aggressive rhetoric on issues like Greenland, accelerated commitments. Below, I’ll outline the key developments based on recent events.

Key Agreements and Increases in 2025

•  At the NATO Summit in The Hague on June 22-25, 2025, allies agreed to a new defense spending target of 5% of GDP by 2035. This includes a core 3.5% on traditional military needs (e.g., troops, weapons, ammunition) and 1.5% on related areas like cybersecurity, infrastructure resilience, and emergency healthcare. The agreement was explicitly driven by Trump’s demands for Europe to shoulder more responsibility, allowing the U.S. to pivot toward threats like China. Trump hailed this as a “win,” noting the urgency amid intelligence warnings of potential Russian threats to Europe within 3-5 years. 

•  By mid-2025, all 32 NATO allies (including European members) had exceeded the original 2% of GDP target set in 2014, a dramatic shift from just 3 in 2014 and 9 in 2020.  This progress was attributed in part to Trump’s ongoing pressure, though Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022 also played a role.

Specific Threats and Responses

•  Trump threatened tariffs on under-spending countries, such as Spain, which he criticized for its low 1.24% GDP spending in 2024 (the alliance’s lowest).  In response, while Spain opted out of the full 5% pledge (committing only to 2.1% for core needs, citing risks to social programs like pensions), other leaders pushed forward with the higher goal.  The summit’s flexible language allowed opt-outs, but most allies committed amid Trump’s warnings.

•  Trump’s repeated threats to acquire or annex Greenland (a Danish territory) in 2025-2026 escalated tensions, leading Denmark to announce a $13.8 billion rearmament plan focused on bolstering Greenland’s defenses.  European leaders, including Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen, condemned the threats as a potential “end to NATO,” warning it could fracture the alliance’s Article 5 mutual defense clause.  This prompted broader European scrambling to strengthen defenses in early 2026, with allies considering economic countermeasures like sanctions if U.S. actions proceeded. 

Broader Context and Outcomes

•  Europe’s defense spending surged in 2025, with the continent entering 2026 with “unprecedented” budget commitments amid Trump’s pressures.  Global defense spending hit $2.46 trillion in 2024, reflecting heightened threat perceptions, but Europe’s increases were particularly tied to U.S. demands.
•  While effective in spurring action, these moves have sparked debate: Some view the 5% target as unrealistic or populist-fueled, potentially straining economies without addressing deeper issues like technological lag.

Overall, Trump’s approach—combining threats of economic penalties, alliance withdrawal hints, and territorial claims—has undeniably catalyzed higher spending pledges and actual increases, though sustainability and unity remain challenges. For the latest tracker, NATO’s official reports provide ongoing updates.
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Denmark is an ally in NATO that’s underpaid their fair share by an estimated 50-$100 billion (not adjusted for inflation). Meanwhile the US has paid a disproportionately high share for decades. Sure, Denmark built a wonderful social safety, but the US paid for it. Germany, Italy, Spain, they’ve all underspent their commitment for years and we’ve picked up the tab. Hundreds of billions.

These rich nations are just finally upping their spending after underspending and using the money to live high on the hog while we covered their asses, so yeah no shit Trump is going to fuck with them.

You sound like someone who’d be for reparations.
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You sound like someone who’d be for reparations.

We’re gonna do reparations and make Europe pay for them!
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Denmark is an ally in NATO that’s underpaid their fair share by an estimated 50-$100 billion (not adjusted for inflation). Meanwhile the US has paid a disproportionately high share for decades. Sure, Denmark built a wonderful social safety, but the US paid for it. Germany, Italy, Spain, they’ve all underspent their commitment for years and we’ve picked up the tab. Hundreds of billions.

These rich nations are just finally upping their spending after underspending and using the money to live high on the hog while we covered their asses, so yeah no shit Trump is going to fuck with them.

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"Denmark consistently has one of the world's highest tax-to-GDP ratios, with figures around 43-46% in recent years,"

,"For many years, Denmark's defense spending as a share of its GDP was consistently below the 2% benchmark agreed upon by NATO members."

"Some analysts argued, however, that GDP percentage was a poor metric and that Denmark's actual operational contributions to NATO missions were significant"

"In 2024, Denmark's military spending as a percentage of GDP is 2.42%. This is an increase from approximately 2.0% in 2023, and it officially meets and exceeds the standing NATO target of 2%."

"The U.S. tax-to-GDP ratio varies by source and year but generally hovers around 25-28%, significantly lower than the OECD average (around 34%)."

"U.S. defense spending as a percentage of GDP generally hovers around 3% to 3.5%, though it fluctuates; recent figures show it around 3.3% - 3.4% for 2023-2024, a figure higher than most other advanced economies but lower than peak Cold War or post-9/11 periods," ...peaking around 5% in the early 2000s,"
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Definitely not a cult. Son asks dad if “Trump ordered the Marines to walk into a mall and kill everyone including (his son),” dad says “I’m all for it, there must be a reason.” His mother agreed with dad.

https://x.com/henri_fjord/status/2010095274153402518?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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Definitely not a cult. Son asks dad if “Trump ordered the Marines to walk into a mall and kill everyone including (his son),” dad says “I’m all for it, there must be a reason.” His mother agreed with dad.

https://x.com/henri_fjord/status/2010095274153402518?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ

Also. “What if Trump ordered the military to carpet bomb Oklahoma City, kill everyone. Do you think they should carry that out?” Dad: “Yes.”
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Relevant nsp!!! data

"Denmark consistently has one of the world's highest tax-to-GDP ratios, with figures around 43-46% in recent years,"

,"For many years, Denmark's defense spending as a share of its GDP was consistently below the 2% benchmark agreed upon by NATO members."

"Some analysts argued, however, that GDP percentage was a poor metric and that Denmark's actual operational contributions to NATO missions were significant"

"In 2024, Denmark's military spending as a percentage of GDP is 2.42%. This is an increase from approximately 2.0% in 2023, and it officially meets and exceeds the standing NATO target of 2%."

"The U.S. tax-to-GDP ratio varies by source and year but generally hovers around 25-28%, significantly lower than the OECD average (around 34%)."

"U.S. defense spending as a percentage of GDP generally hovers around 3% to 3.5%, though it fluctuates; recent figures show it around 3.3% - 3.4% for 2023-2024, a figure higher than most other advanced economies but lower than peak Cold War or post-9/11 periods," ...peaking around 5% in the early 2000s,"

I already did my own research, Ray! 😬

Denmark overtaxes their people and still underpaid their NATO commitment for years and years. But they have  “free” healthcare and college! freedom isn’t free!
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Also. “What if Trump ordered the military to carpet bomb Oklahoma City, kill everyone. Do you think they should carry that out?” Dad: “Yes.”

I love that the mentally ill ones make themselves known with the septum piercings and bright colored tats/hair. Kinda like poisonous frogs.
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I love that the mentally ill ones make themselves known with the septum piercings and bright colored tats/hair. Kinda like poisonous frogs.
Thanks. I almost opened the link.

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I already did my own research, Ray! 😬

Denmark overtaxes their people and still underpaid their NATO commitment for years and years. But they have  “free” healthcare and college! freedom isn’t free!

"U.S. healthcare spending was 17.6% of GDP in 2023, totaling $4.9 trillion, a slight decrease from pandemic highs but still significantly higher than other wealthy nations, hovering just under 18% in recent years after peaking around 19.7% in 2020'

Denmark spends around 9.4% to 9.5% of its GDP on healthcare, a figure that fluctuates slightly year by year but generally hovers near 10%, with recent data showing it around 9.4% in 2023 and 9.5% in 2022,

The US generally shows poorer health outcomes than Denmark in areas like cardiovascular disease hospitalizations, life expectancy, and maternal mortality, despite spending far more on healthcare (around 18% of GDP vs. Denmark's 10%), with the US system often criticized as fragmented and profit-driven, leading to higher costs and inefficiencies. Denmark's universal, tax-funded system prioritizes public health with shorter wait times for some care and lower drug costs, though the US excels in some specific treatments and innovation, but faces larger income-based health disparities.
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I love that the mentally ill ones make themselves known with the septum piercings and bright colored tats/hair. Kinda like poisonous frogs.

So Mom and Dad are all in on Trump killing their kids if he orders it, but the younger woman with the septum ring and the tats is the “mentally ill one.” This is Custard admitting he’s basically in the same ballpark as “mom and dad.”
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Thanks. I almost opened the link.

You got a very bizarre interpretation of what happened.
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Key Outcome Differences

"Cardiovascular Disease: The US has significantly higher hospitalization rates for heart failure and heart attacks, and higher overall CVD death rates, according to Euronews.com.

*Life Expectancy: Denmark generally achieves higher life expectancy than the US, notes Medium.

*Avoidable Deaths: The US has a higher rate of avoidable deaths compared to other developed nations, even with higher spending.

System Structure & Costs

*Denmark: A universal, tax-funded system treating healthcare as a public utility, leading to free care (no copays) and regulated, lower drug costs, with some potential for wait times.

*United States: A mixed public-private system, often fragmented, leading to high administrative overhead, significant out-of-pocket costs, and profitability focus, notes Medium.

Disparities

*Income Gaps: Income-based health disparities are much larger in the US, with lower-income Americans facing substantially higher risks for serious heart issues than their Danish counterparts.

US Strengths & Weaknesses

*Innovation: The US leads in healthcare innovation and technology (ranking 1st in science & tech in one index).

*Treatment: Performs similarly or better in some specific outcomes like 30-day post-acute care mortality.

"Spending Inefficiency: Spends more but achieves poorer overall results, with money often lost to administrative bloat and profit, say Medium and Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker.
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So Mom and Dad are all in on Trump killing their kids if he orders it, but the younger woman with the septum ring and the tats is the “mentally ill one.” This is Custard admitting he’s basically in the same ballpark as “mom and dad.”

The whole thing just feels completely contrived and not at all believable. And that’s even without the preconception that dames with septum piercings and neck tats may not be that credible or make great decisions. I could have dug into it more, but I’d seen enough. Stupid rage bait bullshit. TikTok is fucking poison.
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