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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7470 on: January 02, 2026, 10:37:19 PM »
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Quote from: No one in Mn on January 02, 2026, 10:05:28 PM
I noticed that you skipped the fwiw parts of your post about Trump's inhumane immigration practices and govt workers.
Biden oversaw a bigger growth in the federal workforce than any presidential term in the last 30 years.
59% of Minnesota's job growth from Sept 23-Sept 24 was from government jobs.

No.. I included the part about Trump's cruel immigration policies. I skipped the part about the reduction in government workers. Once again, this in the context of economic growth without job growth.

The termination of over 300,000 government employees might have contributed.

If growth in government employees occured under Biden, good. In many cases, they are understaffed and overworked..

Did I fail to mention AI? That may heaven been a factor in unexpected low job numbers..

That is what I recall from the article I read about economic growth without job growth. Possible reasons include fewer available undocumented workers, government layoffs, and AI..
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7471 on: January 03, 2026, 04:11:15 AM »
Quote from: Hired Gun on January 02, 2026, 09:07:51 PM
I’m not super convinced you actually care about facts

I *only* care about facts. They’re hard to find these days.

You’d be hard pressed to find posts of mine that aren’t factual. If you do search, what you’ll mostly find is people losing their minds because they eventually realize I’m right.

Maybe I won the bracket here 3/4 last years because I’m lucky. Maybe I was lucky I made it to the final of the HQ FF league this year despite auto drafting and not making any moves the first half of the season. Maybe I excel because I value data and facts. Maybe it was pure luck.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7472 on: January 03, 2026, 04:47:17 AM »
You embrace right-wing talking points to a level that would make Golf proud. You embrace junk science, refuse to even acknowledge that Trump’s 23 sexual misconduct accusers/relationship with Epstein/and Trump’s own admissions even make for a bad look. You totally disregard Trump’s long history as a conman, and only an unserious person thinks that Jan 6 is the fault of anyone other than Trump and MAGA. I can’t think of a single wingnut position you haven’t embraced.

I on the other hand, am one of the few people here who has called out both Trump, and the Democratic leadership. You call yourself a “moderate” but most of your positions seem to be right of George W. Bush.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7473 on: January 03, 2026, 04:58:35 AM »
Feel free to point out what isn’t “factual” in this video.

https://x.com/magacult2/status/2006787805155139647?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7474 on: January 03, 2026, 08:14:12 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 02, 2026, 10:37:19 PM
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No.. I included the part about Trump's cruel immigration policies. I skipped the part about the reduction in government workers. Once again, this in the context of economic growth without job growth.

The termination of over 300,000 government employees might have contributed.

If growth in government employees occured under Biden, good. In many cases, they are understaffed and overworked..

Did I fail to mention AI? That may heaven been a factor in unexpected low job numbers..

That is what I recall from the article I read about economic growth without job growth. Possible reasons include fewer available undocumented workers, government layoffs, and AI..
I see that you've gone from describing Trump's immigration policies as inhumane, to draconian, to cruel.

Deporting people who have orders of removal from immigration judges would be following the laws established by Congress.

Job growth may lag behind economic growth but that's above my pay grade.
At least that's what my AI says, tho I typed the previous sentence before asking AI.
"Yes, job growth (or employment growth) often lags behind economic growth (typically measured by GDP), particularly during recoveries from recessions. This is a well-documented phenomenon in economics, supported by both theory and historical data."

Your AI may have an entirely different response to this question when entered word for word.
"Does job growth lag behind economic growth"



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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7475 on: January 03, 2026, 10:25:33 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 03, 2026, 08:14:12 AM
I see that you've gone from describing Trump's immigration policies as inhumane, to draconian, to cruel.

Deporting people who have orders of removal from immigration judges would be following the laws established by Congress.

Yes, but doing so without respecting their due process rights is not. I have conceded the terrorist  policies have succeeded. Almost 2 million self deported. Another 600,000 have been forced out. Those that remain are being terrorized. New ones aren't coming.

Experts say the agriculture, construction, and services industries are experiencing job shortages.

That might possibly be one reason why we have economic growth without commensurate job growth.



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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7476 on: January 03, 2026, 10:37:11 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 03, 2026, 08:14:12 AM

Deporting people who have orders of removal from immigration judges would be following the laws established by Congress.

Not if due process of law is denied..

Also, remember Kilmar Abrego Garcia?

I have conceded that the terroristic policies have succeeded.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7477 on: January 03, 2026, 10:38:43 AM »
Run this past your AI.
"Does an immigration judge's order of removal satisfy U.S. due process"

My AI says ....
"Yes, an immigration judge's (IJ) order of removal issued in standard removal proceedings under Section 240 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) generally satisfies the due process requirements of the Fifth Amendment.The Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause applies to all persons in the United States, including noncitizens, and requires notice and a meaningful opportunity to be heard in deportation (removal) proceedings."



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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7478 on: January 03, 2026, 10:45:48 AM »
AI Overview

The disconnect between strong U.S. economic growth (GDP) and weak job growth is attributed to a combination of structural shifts toward technology-driven productivity and a shrinking labor supply.
Key reasons for this phenomenon include:

Increased Productivity through Technology A significant surge in investment in artificial intelligence (AI), automation, and computing power allows the economy to produce more goods and services (higher GDP) with fewer workers. This creates capital-intensive growth, where the returns appear as productivity and profits rather than new jobs.

Declining Labor Supply Demographic shifts have reduced the number of available workers. Factors include:

Lower Immigration Stricter immigration policies and a reduction in net migration have put significant downward pressure on labor force growth.

Demographic Changes The ongoing retirement of Baby Boomers and a lower birth rate mean a smaller influx of new entrants into the workforce.

Government Policy and Business Caution

Tariffs and Trade Uncertainty Trade tensions and an unpredictable tariff regime have made businesses cautious about long-term hiring decisions, preferring to invest in equipment and technology that can be expensed quickly rather than commit to new employees.

Higher Interest Rates The Federal Reserve's stance of higher interest rates has dampened borrowing, especially for small and medium-sized businesses, which are typically major drivers of job creation.

Fewer Government Jobs A normalization of government employment levels after pandemic-era hiring has also contributed to the overall weak job growth numbers.
 
Concentrated Growth Economic growth is concentrated in highly productive, capital-intensive sectors like data centers and technology, which generate substantial output with relatively few employees compared to traditional industries.

In essence, the economy is becoming more efficient, allowing for expansion without needing a proportional increase in the workforce, while the pool of available labor is simultaneously constrained by a range of structural and policy factors.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7479 on: January 03, 2026, 10:55:25 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 03, 2026, 10:38:43 AM
Run this past your AI.
"Does an immigration judge's order of removal satisfy U.S. due process"

My AI says ....
"Yes, an immigration judge's (IJ) order of removal issued in standard removal proceedings under Section 240 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) generally satisfies the due process requirements of the Fifth Amendment.The Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause applies to all persons in the United States, including noncitizens, and requires notice and a meaningful opportunity to be heard in deportation (removal)
proceedings."

The answer assumes there was notice and a fair hearing. An order of removal without notice and a fair hearing is not due process..
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« Reply #7480 on: January 03, 2026, 10:59:52 AM »
AI Overview

No, an immigration judge issuing an order of removal without proper notice and a fair hearing does not satisfy due process; it is a violation, as due process requires timely, adequate notice and a meaningful opportunity to be heard, and such an order is typically subject to being reopened or rescinded under specific circumstances, like lack of notice or ineffective counsel. The U.S. Constitution (Fifth & Fourteenth Amendments) guarantees due process to all "persons" in the U.S., including noncitizens, meaning fair treatment and a chance to defend rights before deprivation of life, liberty, or property.

Key Due Process Requirements in Immigration:

Notice: You must receive reasonable notice of your hearing, including the time, place, and consequences of failing to appear, in a language you understand.

Fair Hearing: This means having a neutral judge and a genuine opportunity to present your case, evidence, and witnesses, not just formal procedures.

When an Order Might Be Invalid:

Lack of Notice: If you genuinely didn't receive notice (e.g., mail issues, incorrect address), an in absentia (without you present) order can be challenged.

Ineffective Assistance of Counsel: If your lawyer failed to inform you of the hearing, you might reopen the case.

Exceptional Circumstances: You can file a motion to reopen within 180 days for reasons like severe illness or death of a relative, preventing your appearance.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7481 on: January 03, 2026, 11:08:41 AM »
As long as it was quick, Mn doesn’t care about due process!
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7482 on: January 03, 2026, 11:14:40 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 03, 2026, 08:14:12 AM
I see that you've gone from describing Trump's immigration policies as inhumane, to draconian, to cruel.

Deporting people who have orders of removal from immigration judges would be following the laws established by Congress.

Job growth may lag behind economic growth but that's above my pay grade.
At least that's what my AI says, tho I typed the previous sentence before asking AI.
"Yes, job growth (or employment growth) often lags behind economic growth (typically measured by GDP), particularly during recoveries from recessions. This is a well-documented phenomenon in economics, supported by both theory and historical data."

Your AI may have an entirely different response to this question when entered word for word.
"Does job growth lag behind economic growth"

All while saying “horde” is too harsh, derogatory and racist 😂 can’t make this shit up…
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #7483 on: January 03, 2026, 11:22:43 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on January 03, 2026, 11:14:40 AM
All while saying “horde” is too harsh, derogatory and racist 😂 can’t make this shit up…

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #7484 on: January 03, 2026, 11:25:02 AM »
Quote from: Hired Gun on January 03, 2026, 11:22:43 AM


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