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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6240 on: September 26, 2025, 03:20:11 PM »
You sound pretty unhinged for a moderate. He’s destroying our economy, destroying years worth of scientific progress, destroying our environment, destroying our democracy, destroying relationships with most of our allies, and bitterly divided our country.

I am certain they all are happening on your TDS feed, but I’m not at all convinced any of them are actually happening here in the real world.

The divide was already there.

The economy is fine.

Science and the environment aren’t going anywhere.

We rattled the chains with some allies and got exactly what we wanted, which is to get them to pay their fair share.

Not sure anyone has done more to undermine democratic process than Democrats the last 10 years.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6241 on: September 26, 2025, 03:39:04 PM »
Corn producers are good at producing corn. They don’t make policy and they don’t create demand. The vast majority just want to grow corn and make some money doing so. Some of them are talking about maybe having to sell a piece of land or something this year if they want to keep going. They aren’t ready to sell the house in Florida, the toy hauler, the $100k King Ranch pickup truck, or the Tri-toon yet though.

They think they're in the burger business. What they really are in - is the real estate business. Do you want a tiny cut of the losses on the corn production, or rent on the land on which that corn is produced?

This is why my family owns farmland and sells combines, but doesn't farm. Speaking of combines, that's a lot of why it will be tough to switch, those things aren't cheap and the farmers don't want to value them down to zero by planting organic tomatoes instead.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6242 on: September 26, 2025, 03:40:53 PM »
Farmers for the most part respond to the markets. If the government subsidizes corn production for ethanol and they can grow it at a profitable level, that’s what they’ll do. Some farmers have gotten more into organics or carved out niches raising specialty crops and local produce, but that’s a high risk/high reward proposition when they could take the easy route by growing crops with large demand and government support.

The only thing keeping ag from maturing and consolidating at the rates other industries do has been the payments and subsidies that keep small family farms afloat. We were talking about this clear back when I was taking Ag Econ courses back at UI.

If the plug was pulled, rapid consolidation would occur, and people would be forced to try and diversify and make new markets. But what impetus do they have to really take risks under the system as it’s currently  constructed? Between crop insurance and direct payments and subsidies and handouts they basically are all but guaranteed a safety net to just play it safe.

Farmers respond to markets?  Sorry, but they are driving the bus.  Those crop subsidies and incentives didn't just magically appear.  Farmers are one of the most powerful lobbying groups at the state and federal.  They wanted the ethanol program and their elected officials delivered.

I'm coming coming around to the position that farmers deserve what they get.  No plan for the future, just do more of the same and then cry like babies when a dipstick like Trump blows up the markets and increases operating costs.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6243 on: September 26, 2025, 03:42:11 PM »
Red meat is healthy

Depends on the e-coli content, I suppose.

Also - it's not really a good idea to grind it up and stuff it inside a high fructose corn laden bun, or to eat a 24 oz steak in one sitting. Eric Berg can talk about the value of eating that red meat all he wants, the guy fasts in the AM and then eats 8 oz of hamburger at lunch with no bun, and a salad. That's not the use case for the MAGA faithful.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6244 on: September 26, 2025, 03:44:27 PM »

If the plug was pulled, rapid consolidation would occur, and people would be forced to try and diversify and make new markets. But what impetus do they have to really take risks under the system as it’s currently  constructed? Between crop insurance and direct payments and subsidies and handouts they basically are all but guaranteed a safety net to just play it safe.

And you prefer this system? Because your preference in leadership sure does.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6245 on: September 26, 2025, 03:45:29 PM »
Then your father-in-law should know that Deere sales cratered in 2024.

You got me. He doesn't own a John Deere dealership.

He sold it in 2023.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6246 on: September 26, 2025, 03:47:42 PM »
I'm coming coming around to the position that farmers deserve what they get.  No plan for the future, just do more of the same and then cry like babies when a dipstick like Trump blows up the markets and increases operating costs.

God isn't making any more land, but he's making plenty of new farmers to replace bankrupt ones.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6247 on: September 26, 2025, 04:00:00 PM »
FWIW, local fire chief says there are both Halligan bar and Hooligan bar, with some minor differences.  ;D

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6248 on: September 26, 2025, 04:23:06 PM »
You got me. He doesn't own a John Deere dealership.

He sold it in 2023.

Oh you “BILLIONAIRES” sure do seem to always do the right thing and are so smart!! I’m surprised Tempo likes you. You’re supposed to be Dr. Evil…
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6249 on: September 26, 2025, 04:44:48 PM »
FWIW, local fire chief says there are both Halligan bar and Hooligan bar, with some minor differences.  ;D

Well, then your local fire chief is a fag.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6250 on: September 26, 2025, 04:45:42 PM »
God isn't making any more land, but he's making plenty of new farmers to replace bankrupt ones.

He's making plenty of new corporations to replace bankrupt ones.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6251 on: September 26, 2025, 05:01:53 PM »
Well, then your local fire chief is a fag.

He's got a bunch of kids, so probably a closet fag. He did say it was an east coast thing. The hooligan bar part, not fag stuff. Although that could apply, too.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6252 on: September 26, 2025, 05:11:57 PM »
I am certain they all are happening on your TDS feed, but I’m not at all convinced any of them are actually happening here in the real world.

The divide was already there.

The economy is fine.

Science and the environment aren’t going anywhere.

We rattled the chains with some allies and got exactly what we wanted, which is to get them to pay their fair share.

Not sure anyone has done more to undermine democratic process than Democrats the last 10 years.

I don't think the economy is fine.

I notice that things are more expensive. It hasn't stopped me from buying the shit that I want, but it's definitely more expensive. That's not a good sign for the economy.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6253 on: September 26, 2025, 05:13:50 PM »
Farmers respond to markets?  Sorry, but they are driving the bus.  Those crop subsidies and incentives didn't just magically appear.  Farmers are one of the most powerful lobbying groups at the state and federal.  They wanted the ethanol program and their elected officials delivered.

I'm coming coming around to the position that farmers deserve what they get.  No plan for the future, just do more of the same and then cry like babies when a dipstick like Trump blows up the markets and increases operating costs.

2004 was a record crop. Prices went into LDP territory. I was buying corn for $1.70 the fall of 2004 when I worked for Cargill. Farmers were putting it on the ground and anywhere else they could find to store it because the elevators were full.

The excess-corn-without-a-market crisis drove the ethanol mandates of 2005 (and beyond) which now account for about 40% of the corn produced in the US. So like I said overproduction is the problem and then the government has to step in and bail them out. It’s not like they asked for ethanol and then started producing more to meet that demand.

I’ve noticed you have tons of grievances and no real thoughts or plans to address the problem. What should we do?
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #6254 on: September 26, 2025, 05:56:51 PM »
They think they're in the burger business. What they really are in - is the real estate business. Do you want a tiny cut of the losses on the corn production, or rent on the land on which that corn is produced?

This is why my family owns farmland and sells combines, but doesn't farm. Speaking of combines, that's a lot of why it will be tough to switch, those things aren't cheap and the farmers don't want to value them down to zero by planting organic tomatoes instead.

The farmers that own their own land or a bulk of it are doing fine. Tough to make anything on rented ground in this market, and there will ALWAYS be someone willing to farm it for break even or worse.

I’m not talking about switching from a row crop to tomatoes, the tomato market demand is being met. We need different crops and new markets that don’t require wholesale shifts in equipment. Chickpeas, for example, are harvested with the same equipment most midwestern farmers already have.

I think any major shift in farming practices either is going to have to come from market creation. Alum seems to think farmers should just start growing new stuff but that’s not going to happen without an established market. I think more can be done industry wide to develop food products that create the demand needed to drive more diversification in cropping.

Again, they haven’t had any real incentive to do so. But if high inputs and low prices remain; they may have to.
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