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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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shit post.

The billboard implies that when Trump becomes President, prices will fall.

If they don't, he's gonna have to pull his biggest MAGic trick yet to hide it.

And if they do?!
Because FOX News told me so…

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And if they do?!

That's extremely unlikely and would probably only happen if there is a prolonged recession.

Right now, grocery inflation is 0.1% so prices should remain stable. Trump might try to pivot, saying he meant he would make groceries more affordable by slowing inflation, not reversing it. Then take credit for what has already happened. That would be very Trumpian.

OTOH, his proposed tax, trade, and immigration policies could hurt supply, and spur a new cycle of grocery inflation.
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And if they do?!

Then well done Trump... sort of....

A decline in grocery prices is deflation. Deflation causes recessions, which will also be felt, people will be happy that eggs are cheaper but upset they lost their job. However, if unemployment goes from 3.5% to 7.5% and eggs go down 10%, 4 percent of the people will be unhappy and 96% will be happy, so maybe that works out? Deflation would also cause mortgage rates to drop, which would generally be seen as good, unless you don't have the money to put down.

As long as his immigration and tariff stuff is just bluster, inflation will stay low. But that's not deflation. I would guess that the true believers will be fine as long as prices stabilize, and the people who don't like Trump will be unhappy anyway. We've reached a stage where 75% plus of the country doesn't look at the conditions on the ground, they are just happy or unhappy if their tribe won the election.

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That's extremely unlikely and would probably only happen if there is a prolonged recession.

Right now, grocery inflation is 0.1% so prices should remain stable. Trump might try to pivot, saying he meant he would make groceries more affordable by slowing inflation, not reversing it. Then take credit for what has already happened. That would be very Trumpian.

OTOH, his proposed tax and immigration policies could hurt supply, and spur a new cycle of grocery inflation.

what he said, in other words.

I'm part of the 25% who isn't purely tribal, just someone who likes good policy. His policy proposals are bad. But his ability to execute is also bad. So who knows.

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Joe Biden is president.

With all the credit Trump is currently taking for stuff, I was not sure.
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Grocery prices can come down without having general deflation. The commodities that form the backbone of our food supply—corn, soy, wheat, etc—are all at their lowest prices in years. That *should* trickle down to the consumer in the form of lowered prices for many goods, save for the collusion amongst Big Food corporations. Maybe RFK can bust them up.
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Grocery prices can come down without having general deflation. The commodities that form the backbone of our food supply—corn, soy, wheat, etc—are all at their lowest prices in years. That *should* trickle down to the consumer in the form of lowered prices for many goods, save for the collusion amongst Big Food corporations. Maybe RFK can bust them up.

There are also farm bill issues within the GOP apparently. Apparently some in the GOP are sick of farming "welfare."
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There are also farm bill issues within the GOP apparently. Apparently some in the GOP are sick of farming "welfare."

ok that's fucking laughable. Just go to the FEC site and see who farmers are donating to. GOP officials love the welfare the farmers donate to them.

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Grocery prices can come down without having general deflation. The commodities that form the backbone of our food supply—corn, soy, wheat, etc—are all at their lowest prices in years. That *should* trickle down to the consumer in the form of lowered prices for many goods, save for the collusion amongst Big Food corporations. Maybe RFK can bust them up.

Once again with feeling.

About 40% of the corn crop in the United States is used to produce ethanol and related co-products.
On average, the United States exports about 49% of its soybean production.

Yes, we do eat a lot of beef (and dairy products), drink a lot of coca-cola, but if we look at your metaphor, "backbone" sounds cool but corn/soy/wheat still don't comprise a majority of the American diet, even when you consider them as inputs in terms of animal feed.

And while corn/soy/wheat aren't very sticky due to the fact they aren't labor intensive - beef, eggs, milk are very labor intensive - and labor costs are extremely sticky. The percentage of the price of a burger has very little to do with the corn the cow ate - and more to do with shipping, processing, refrigeration, retail costs.

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Grocery prices can come down without having general deflation. The commodities that form the backbone of our food supply—corn, soy, wheat, etc—are all at their lowest prices in years. That *should* trickle down to the consumer in the form of lowered prices for many goods, save for the collusion amongst Big Food corporations. Maybe RFK can bust them up.

If energy prices decrease that would also help.

Or a horrible recession.   Hopefully its the first path.
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If energy prices decrease that would also help.

Or a horrible recession.   Hopefully its the first path.

Global price of oil is what? 70 - 75 US $?

That is a solid price that makes fracking, exploration, etc. affordable.

It drops much below 70, smaller US companies can't afford to produce.

Cheap oil and low pump prices for gas like we had in 2020 would be nice, in the short run.

That's my impression.
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Once again with feeling.

About 40% of the corn crop in the United States is used to produce ethanol and related co-products.
On average, the United States exports about 49% of its soybean production.

Yes, we do eat a lot of beef (and dairy products), drink a lot of coca-cola, but if we look at your metaphor, "backbone" sounds cool but corn/soy/wheat still don't comprise a majority of the American diet, even when you consider them as inputs in terms of animal feed.

And while corn/soy/wheat aren't very sticky due to the fact they aren't labor intensive - beef, eggs, milk are very labor intensive - and labor costs are extremely sticky. The percentage of the price of a burger has very little to do with the corn the cow ate - and more to do with shipping, processing, refrigeration, retail costs.

Nearly everything Americans eat that aren’t fruits and vegetables ties back to corn, soy, or wheat. Most cattle, hogs, chickens, and even farm raised fish eat a corn and soy based diet. A quick google search shows estimates ranging from 72-80% of calories in the American diet trace back to corn, soy, and wheat. If that’s not a backbone, I don’t know what is.

Grain prices influence the behavior of animal feeders by changing how many animals they may keep to grow herd size versus the number they feed out for slaughter, which influences supply.
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Nearly everything Americans eat that aren’t fruits and vegetables ties back to corn, soy, or wheat. Most cattle, hogs, chickens, and even farm raised fish eat a corn and soy based diet.

According to USDA data, meat contributes about 17% of the calories in the American diet

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According to USDA data, meat contributes about 17% of the calories in the American diet

no wonder people are fat
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no wonder people are fat

that's primarily due to the other "foods" that are corn/soy/wheat based. Custard brags about corn/soy/wheat being "the backbone" but really it's the "big ass" - Coke, chips, bread, pastries