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WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1305 on: May 21, 2024, 07:32:33 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 06:59:43 AM
Some legal "experts" were undoubtedly behind the decision to bootstrap the expired misdemeanors to intent to commit a "crime".
The FEC wouldn't pursue an election violation and yet a former FEC commissioner isn't allowed to rebut the prosecution position for the defense ?

How does that matter? Sounds like the judge ruled that the jury is to make that determination not an expert. Sounds like the judge is thinking that if the underlying charge was a theft in another jurisdiction that was not pursued, you would not have a prosecutor provide expert testimony. The jury would be instructed and decide if the theft occured.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1306 on: May 21, 2024, 07:34:06 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 21, 2024, 07:23:44 AM
It sounds like Costello was supposed to keep tabs on Cohen to make sure he never flipped. Doesn't look like Costello did a very good job.
Costello was trying to advise and help Cohen pre-indictment. Costello says that Cohen said he had nothing on Trump that Costello could use in a cooperation agreement with the prosecution to avoid indictment.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1307 on: May 21, 2024, 07:36:34 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 21, 2024, 07:24:27 AM
Unlike what is going on in Judge Cannon's court room.
Cannon is none too happy with Smith's case.
The same can't be said about Merchan and Bragg's case.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1308 on: May 21, 2024, 07:37:24 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 07:28:54 AM
Trump won't testify due to prosecution efforts.
You're sounding like one of those 12 New Yorkers who are hoped to believe that Cohen isn't a liar.

LOL. Welcome to criminal prosecutions. I recall someone saying that only mobsters plead the 5th Amendment.

I didn't sit through all the testimony. We shall see what happens. I just read that Cohen admitted lying to the Costello at the time. Doesn't sound like there was really much to cover with Costello if that was the case.

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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1309 on: May 21, 2024, 07:40:19 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 07:34:06 AM
Costello was trying to advise and help Cohen pre-indictment. Costello says that Cohen said he had nothing on Trump that Costello could use in a cooperation agreement with the prosecution to avoid indictment.

And Cohen testified to that. Then he eventually flipped.

Like I said, sounding like Costello ultimately failed at his job. Sure doesn't look good for him now. Like every witness in this case. Except the paralegal with the phone log.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1310 on: May 21, 2024, 07:40:32 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 21, 2024, 07:32:33 AM
How does that matter? Sounds like the judge ruled that the jury is to make that determination not an expert. Sounds like the judge is thinking that if the underlying charge was a theft in another jurisdiction that was not pursued, you would not have a prosecutor provide expert testimony. The jury would be instructed and decide if the theft occured.
The case is precedent setting and you're going with the jury getting to decide whether federal election law, if that's the "crime", was violated without the defense being allowed to present a defense ?
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1311 on: May 21, 2024, 07:41:17 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 07:36:34 AM
Cannon is none too happy with Smith's case.
The same can't be said about Merchan and Bragg's case.
Shocking that she is unhappy about having to do her job.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1312 on: May 21, 2024, 07:43:12 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 21, 2024, 07:37:24 AM
LOL. Welcome to criminal prosecutions. I recall someone saying that only mobsters plead the 5th Amendment.

I didn't sit through all the testimony. We shall see what happens. I just read that Cohen admitted lying to the Costello at the time. Doesn't sound like there was really much to cover with Costello if that was the case.


The prosecutor under Cyrus Vance who was tasked with the SDNY case against Trump, which was dropped, recently pleaded the 5th regarding the case.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1313 on: May 21, 2024, 07:44:51 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 21, 2024, 07:40:19 AM
And Cohen testified to that. Then he eventually flipped.

Like I said, sounding like Costello ultimately failed at his job. Sure doesn't look good for him now. Like every witness in this case. Except the paralegal with the phone log.
You're going with this ?
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1314 on: May 21, 2024, 07:46:24 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 07:40:32 AM
The case is precedent setting and you're going with the jury getting to decide whether federal election law, if that's the "crime", was violated without the defense being allowed to present a defense ?

They can present fact witnesses. There was been testimony about the reason they did what they did and it was unrelated to the election. The FEC guy has no persoanl knowledge of the underlying facts and was to provide expert testimony on whether a violation occurred. Judge ruled that is for the jury to decide.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1315 on: May 21, 2024, 07:47:20 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 07:44:51 AM
You're going with this ?

We see it playing out live. You wouldn't have your undies in a bunch if he had not flipped.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1316 on: May 21, 2024, 08:10:53 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 21, 2024, 07:37:24 AM
LOL. Welcome to criminal prosecutions. I recall someone saying that only mobsters plead the 5th Amendment.

I didn't sit through all the testimony. We shall see what happens. I just read that Cohen admitted lying to the Costello at the time. Doesn't sound like there was really much to cover with Costello if that was the case.


It's not a criminal trial. It's a political show trial.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1317 on: May 21, 2024, 08:15:24 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 21, 2024, 07:46:24 AM
They can present fact witnesses. There was been testimony about the reason they did what they did and it was unrelated to the election. The FEC guy has no persoanl knowledge of the underlying facts and was to provide expert testimony on whether a violation occurred. Judge ruled that is for the jury to decide.
I think the witness was to testify on federal election law, not whether a "crime" was committed.
The FEC did decline to pursue. The reasoning may be informative.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1318 on: May 21, 2024, 08:18:34 AM »
If Bragg had knowledge pre-trial that Cohen had stolen money from Trump is that information that needs to be provided to the defense ?
Some sure think so.
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Re: WTF happened to the WTF happened to the WTF happened with Trump today thread?
« Reply #1319 on: May 21, 2024, 08:41:39 AM »
Quote from: No one on May 21, 2024, 07:17:38 AM
Merchan to the defense after their request to stop the case from going to the jury :
"You said his lies are irrefutable. But you think he's going to fool 12 New Yorkers into believing this lie ?"

Lol. Yep, limit defense testimony and that's the idea.
The prosecution brings a porn star and a convicted perjurer.
The defense wants to bring a former federal prosecutor at SDNY and a former FEC commissioner.
Nope, we'll have none of that.

This is about all you need to know…
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