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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #315 on: June 09, 2022, 07:56:21 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on June 09, 2022, 07:27:05 PM
If it was Kentucky would have never cut him loose. 

Not sure where you’ve watched highlights to call him an elite athlete.  He’s not.  He’s a McCamey type athlete.  No explosion at all

Gone from McBride to McCamey? Progress. McCamey holds the Illini season record for APG.

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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #316 on: June 12, 2022, 07:34:35 PM »
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #317 on: June 15, 2022, 03:22:12 PM »
What I like about Rodgers number one is his coachability.  He was willing to play a role for the U18 team. He made the next pass. He guarded the other teams' best players.  He averaged roughly 12/12/7 per 40 minutes. Total of 19 assists, 5 steals, 3 blocks, and only 4 TOs in 109 minutes in 6 games.  His court presence and IQ stood out on an all star team. Generally, has court awareness, good positioning,  and anticipation on both ends.

Defensively, he appears to have a B1G body already to go with lateral agility and plus length. In addition to the 5 steals, and 3 blocks, he had 23 defensive rebounds. He did overplay and got beat off the dribble a couple times. Gets back quickly on defense. Showed ability to half court trap and quickly recover..   

Offensively, he is not yet a shooter, but can score. He has the handle, court vision, and passing skills of a lead guard. He can dribble drive, pull up, kick out, dish, or finish through contact with with either hand. Also has a decent post up game. In offensive transition, he can lead the break or throw the outlet pass. Good at the long pass.
   
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #318 on: June 15, 2022, 08:12:43 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on June 09, 2022, 07:27:05 PM
If it was Kentucky would have never cut him loose. 
Who gives a fuck what Kentucky does?
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #319 on: June 15, 2022, 11:13:42 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on June 15, 2022, 08:12:43 PM
Who gives a fuck what Kentucky does?

You’re right.  Every player that transfers or leaves Kentucky is great.  Alex Legion was phenomenal here.
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #320 on: June 16, 2022, 08:21:58 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on June 02, 2022, 02:19:23 PM
They each played 15 minutes a game on a #1 seed in 2020-21. Grandison has been the better player each of the last 2 seasons.

Fact this guy is looked at as a big difference maker by some of you (even 247 sports which is asinine) shows you just don’t look at stats.

A 6’9 guy that shoots 40% from the field is not a positive.

https://247sports.com/college/rutgers/Article/Caleb-McConnell-ranked-No2-super-senior-in-college-basketball--188796428, where is Mayer again?
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #321 on: June 16, 2022, 01:10:05 PM »
Grandison is a nice role player. He is s catch and shoot guy, like Goode. Mayer is a more complete player.
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #322 on: June 16, 2022, 01:13:55 PM »
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #323 on: June 16, 2022, 10:10:37 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on June 15, 2022, 11:13:42 PM
You’re right.  Every player that transfers or leaves Kentucky is great.  Alex Legion was phenomenal here.
Who gives a fuck about Alex Legion in 2022?
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #324 on: June 17, 2022, 05:59:52 AM »
Oh, why not.
12-8.
Single game matchups is not ideal, but going 3-3 and taking care of business vs the gofs, NU, the Huskers and PSU would be helpful. And throw in the escaped with a big road win and the usual headscratcher, somewhere.
Granted, I really havent paid much attention to who's coming back and who left on the other teams.

Here is the breakdown of Illinois' opponents for the 2023 Big Ten schedule:

Home & Away – Indiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin
Home Only – Michigan, Michigan State, Rutgers
Away Only – Iowa, Maryland, Purdue
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #325 on: June 17, 2022, 07:35:30 AM »
Quote from: Mn on June 17, 2022, 05:59:52 AM
Oh, why not.
12-8.
Single game matchups is not ideal, but going 3-3 and taking care of business vs the gofs, NU, the Huskers and PSU would be helpful. And throw in the escaped with a big road win and the usual headscratcher, somewhere.
Granted, I really havent paid much attention to who's coming back and who left on the other teams.

Here is the breakdown of Illinois' opponents for the 2023 Big Ten schedule:

Home & Away – Indiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin
Home Only – Michigan, Michigan State, Rutgers
Away Only – Iowa, Maryland, Purdue

12-8 seems spot on imo. I could see a game more in the + column, I could also see a 3 game swing in the - column unfortunately.
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #326 on: June 17, 2022, 07:37:02 AM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on June 17, 2022, 07:35:30 AM
12-8 seems spot on imo. I could see a game more in the + column, I could also see a 3 game swing in the - column unfortunately.

So you're saying 14-18 is a possibility? ;)
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #327 on: June 17, 2022, 03:38:33 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 17, 2022, 07:37:02 AM
So you're saying 14-18 is a possibility? ;)

No I will not fold to peer pressure and being associated with Dumbfcknic... ;D
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #328 on: June 17, 2022, 04:38:46 PM »
Make this a new effing thread if you want. Be interesting to see how Skyy Clark and Jayden Epps stack up against the top Illinois lead guards of the past.

Elite: Andy Phillip, Derek Harper, Deron Williams

Great: Tal Brody, Bruce Douglas, Kiwane Harris, Frank Williams, Dee Brown, Ayo Dosunmu

Very Good: Manny Jackson, Jim Dawson, Tony Wysinger,  Steve Bardo, Demitri McCamey,  Trent Frazier,  Andre Curbelo*
 
Good: Jerry Colangelo?, Bill Small, Jodie Harrison, Jeff Dawson, Nate Williams, Steve Lanter, Larry Smith, Rennie Clemons, Trent Meacham, Chester Frazier, Andres Feliz

Who'd I forget?

Skyy Clark can be elite, Epps great.
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Re: Next Years Roster Thoughts
« Reply #329 on: June 17, 2022, 07:22:00 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on June 17, 2022, 04:38:46 PM
Make this a new effing thread if you want. Be interesting to see how Skyy Clark and Jayden Epps stack up against the top Illinois lead guards of the past.

Elite: Andy Phillip, Derek Harper, Deron Williams

Great: Talk Brody, Bruce Douglas, Kiwane Harris, Frank Williams, Dee Brown, Ayo Dosunmu

Very Good: Manny Jackson, Jim Dawson, Tony Wysinger,  Steve Bardo, Demitri McCamey, Trent Frazier,  Andre Curbelo*

Good:  Bill Small, Jodie Harrison, Jeff Dawson, Steve Lanter, Larry Smith, Rennie Clemons, Trent Meacham, Chester Frazier, Andres Feliz

Who'd I forget?

Skyy Clark can be elite, Epps great.

Several I would label differently myself, but just semantics at that point. That said, how do you kow Epps cannot be elite? Many may argue that Epps could and possible is as good if not better now, if not down the road as well. I am personally higher on Epps has a player for us, than Skyy, but higher on Skyy as a recruit (ranking) (stars). We will see.
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