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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2022, 02:27:24 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 18, 2022, 01:59:19 PM
He's underwhelming. Granted, he had a decent run in SF there. Not sure you want him running thr roster and that is what he's going to want.

He’s a proven winner at several different stops. I think he knows how to set up a winning culture. I have no problem letting him select the GM as long as Harbaugh isn’t the de-facto GM. Flores would want the same level of control. I’m not giving that kind of control to a guy who has never been to the playoffs.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2022, 03:31:58 PM »
I'll give it to a guy who was AOTC on Herbert.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2022, 04:30:27 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 18, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
I'll give it to a guy who was AOTC on Herbert.

You don’t even know that to be true. That’s just dumb.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2022, 05:42:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on January 18, 2022, 04:30:27 PM
You don’t even know that to be true. That’s just dumb.

Not as dumb as trusting a guy who is considering leaving MI because he was on the road to getting shitcanned for underachieving.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2022, 08:22:41 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 18, 2022, 05:42:59 PM
Not as dumb as trusting a guy who is considering leaving MI because he was on the road to getting shitcanned for underachieving.

Are you questioning Harbaugh’s credentials?
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2022, 08:24:09 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 18, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
I'll give it to a guy who was AOTC on Herbert.

They literally were taken one pick apart. It was virtually a coin flip. I’m sure there were other scouts and coaches who fail to make the playoffs who liked Herbert better as well? Ready to give them complete control of the Bears?
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2022, 08:28:22 PM »
Harbaugh was 44-19-1 with 5 playoff wins and a Super Bowl appearance in 4 years in the NFL. His résumé is light years ahead of Flores’. I’m not saying Flores isn’t a good coach, but he’s never been to the playoffs and has several red flags. He’s not a guy I’m giving complete control of a NFL franchise to.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2022, 08:29:55 PM »
Harbaugh’s 1st year they went 13-3. The Niners were 6-10 the previous season.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2022, 09:10:44 PM »
Harbaugh, if paired with a legit GM, is probably the one potentially attainable coach who could actually pique my interest. However he just bought himself some more time at his alma mater and his main competition in tOSU and Penn State seem to be slipping. But he really doesn’t seem to be on a trajectory to compete with the Georgias and Bamas of the world any time soon either.

Despite the history and lore and personal connection with Harbaugh, Chicago is a coaching graveyard with terrible ownership.  But it would be a fresh start with a lot of leeway most likely to rebuild the roster and leave his mark on the franchise.

Some retread is going to generate zero excitement and I’m not sure the fan base is super excited about going the “up and coming coordinator” route again after the Nagy failure. Not that the next hire should in any way be contingent on that, but that’s how meatheaded the base is.

Also you’ve got the way the fans treated Nagy and his family which is pretty gross. I sure wouldn’t want to be in that situation regardless of the pay or the status. The guy was in over his head, but to publicly demonize the guy relentlessly and harass his family because a football team (which wasn’t constructed well) isn’t winning is just pathetic.

The blame lies with the ownership and the front office who hired Pace and Nagy and didn’t fully enable them. Just like the ultimate blame for the Weber fiasco lays at the feet of Lord Gunther. I eventually got disgusted by clown shoes because he threw kids under the bus, made excuses, blamed the fans for his failures, the list goes on. He had nine seasons and fully earned the level of disdain that he eventually faced at the end of his tenure from the people who weren’t constantly engaged in sucking his cock.

Nagy just wasn’t very polished or prepared for the role. He doesn’t have a great public personality and made some gaffes. But he didn’t pull all the passive aggressive, narcissistic shit Bubbles did. I hate the whole “complete jagoff masquerading as a lovable Everyman” reality that surfaced in Weber’s last few years much more than his ineptitude. Nagy was just a relatively inoffensive (in more ways than one) embodiment of the Peter Principle.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2022, 09:32:12 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on January 18, 2022, 08:24:09 PM
They literally were taken one pick apart. It was virtually a coin flip. I’m sure there were other scouts and coaches who fail to make the playoffs who liked Herbert better as well? Ready to give them complete control of the Bears?

Trubisky was highly rated by the scouts and experts too. They must have just seen his game against the Illini.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2022, 10:28:45 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 18, 2022, 09:32:12 PM
Trubisky was highly rated by the scouts and experts too. They must have just seen his game against the Illini.

You’re not making much sense.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2022, 10:31:27 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 18, 2022, 09:10:44 PM
Harbaugh, if paired with a legit GM, is probably the one potentially attainable coach who could actually pique my interest. However he just bought himself some more time at his alma mater and his main competition in tOSU and Penn State seem to be slipping. But he really doesn’t seem to be on a trajectory to compete with the Georgias and Bamas of the world any time soon either.

Despite the history and lore and personal connection with Harbaugh, Chicago is a coaching graveyard with terrible ownership.  But it would be a fresh start with a lot of leeway most likely to rebuild the roster and leave his mark on the franchise.

Some retread is going to generate zero excitement and I’m not sure the fan base is super excited about going the “up and coming coordinator” route again after the Nagy failure. Not that the next hire should in any way be contingent on that, but that’s how meatheaded the base is.

Also you’ve got the way the fans treated Nagy and his family which is pretty gross. I sure wouldn’t want to be in that situation regardless of the pay or the status. The guy was in over his head, but to publicly demonize the guy relentlessly and harass his family because a football team (which wasn’t constructed well) isn’t winning is just pathetic.

The blame lies with the ownership and the front office who hired Pace and Nagy and didn’t fully enable them. Just like the ultimate blame for the Weber fiasco lays at the feet of Lord Gunther. I eventually got disgusted by clown shoes because he threw kids under the bus, made excuses, blamed the fans for his failures, the list goes on. He had nine seasons and fully earned the level of disdain that he eventually faced at the end of his tenure from the people who weren’t constantly engaged in sucking his cock.

Nagy just wasn’t very polished or prepared for the role. He doesn’t have a great public personality and made some gaffes. But he didn’t pull all the passive aggressive, narcissistic shit Bubbles did. I hate the whole “complete jagoff masquerading as a lovable Everyman” reality that surfaced in Weber’s last few years much more than his ineptitude. Nagy was just a relatively inoffensive (in more ways than one) embodiment of the Peter Principle.

Are you saying ownership hamstrung Pace and Nagy? I don’t see where that’s true at all.

Are you saying someone might not want the job because people shouted “fire Nagy” at sporting events? I guarantee you that’s not true.

There’s a lot coming out since he’s been fired that seems to show Nagy definitely had some passive-aggressive behavior. Not as blatant as Weber, but it’s there.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2022, 10:36:47 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on January 18, 2022, 10:28:45 PM
You’re not making much sense.

Tua? We knew he got his hip messed up, etc. Yet the Draft Experts still loved him.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2022, 10:54:34 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 18, 2022, 10:36:47 PM
Tua? We knew he got his hip messed up, etc. Yet the Draft Experts still loved him.

Which is why he fell to 5th. Apparently liking Herbert more than Tua, and guiding the Dolphins to ok records for a while gets you complete control of the Bears.
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Re: 2022 Bears
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2022, 11:21:58 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on January 18, 2022, 10:54:34 PM
Which is why he fell to 5th. Apparently liking Herbert more than Tua, and guiding the Dolphins to ok records for a while gets you complete control of the Bears.

Yes. Bears' Belichick!
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