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A place to celebrate celebrity deaths

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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2730 on: March 24, 2026, 09:14:01 AM »
that would be cute if these were junior high.

Calling it the Russia Hoax deceptively framed what happened. We have been over this.

Russian interference in our elections happened. Their use  of social media and cyber hacking was unprecedented. That was no hoax.

No, ‘Russiagate’ Wasn’t the Hoax That Team Trump Claims It Was
Russian agents did conspire to influence the election, undermine Clinton and help Trump, and Trump as well as people close to him eagerly welcomed the help.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/no-russiagate-wasnt-hoax-team-trump-claims-it-was

Did Russia Affect the 2016 Election? It’s Now Undeniable
https://www.wired.com/story/did-russia-affect-the-2016-election-its-now-undeniable/

More than anyone has time for:
https://www.factcheck.org/issue/mueller-report/


Mueller indicted 13 Russkis and 3 entities over the "hacking" and "influence". They said 'fine', hired U.S. lawyers and said we'll see you in court and we're looking forward to discovery.
The charges were dropped.

Mueller indicted 13 'Russian intelligence agents' who would never enter the U.S. or U.S. courts.

None of the 26 indicted Russians or entities ever went to trial.

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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2731 on: March 24, 2026, 09:52:17 AM »
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2732 on: March 24, 2026, 10:40:08 AM »
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I think something's been festering for a while.

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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2733 on: March 24, 2026, 12:29:19 PM »
Mueller indicted 13 Russkis and 3 entities over the "hacking" and "influence". They said 'fine', hired U.S. lawyers and said we'll see you in court and we're looking forward to discovery. The charges were dropped. Mueller indicted 13 'Russian intelligence agents' who would never enter the U.S. or U.S. courts. None of the 26 indicted Russians or entities ever went to trial.

The details surrounding the indictments of Russian individuals and entities by Special Counsel Robert Mueller regarding the 2016 U.S. election are partially accurate based on the case history, with key nuances regarding the dropping of charges and legal proceedings.

The Internet Research Agency (IRA) Case (13 Individuals and 3 Entities)

The Indictment: In February 2018, Mueller indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities (Internet Research Agency LLC, Concord Management and Consulting LLC, and Concord Catering) for "information warfare" and conspiracy to defraud the U.S. to influence the 2016 election.

*The Court Appearance: Concord Management and Consulting LLC unexpectedly hired U.S. lawyers and appeared in court, arguing that the special counsel was improperly appointed and demanding discovery.

*Charges Dropped: In March 2020, the Department of Justice (DOJ) moved to drop the conspiracy charge against Concord Management, stating that a trial would likely expose sensitive law enforcement tools and techniques, and that a corporate defendant with no U.S. presence would not face meaningful punishment. The charges against the specific 13 Russian individuals were not dropped; they remained indicted, but the prosecution against the entity (Concord) was abandoned.

The GRU Case (12 Russian Intelligence Agents)

*The Indictment: In July 2018, Mueller indicted 12 Russian military intelligence officers (GRU) for hacking the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

*Trial Status: These individuals did not appear in U.S. court, and because Russia is unlikely to extradite them, they did not stand trial.

Summary of Trial Status

*None of the 26+ indicted Russian nationals (13 in the IRA case + 12 in the GRU case + others) ever went to trial or appeared in a U.S. courtroom.

*The only Russian entity to fight the case, Concord Management, had the case against it dropped by the DOJ in 2020.

*While 34 individuals and 3 companies were charged in total, only U.S. citizens associated with the campaign (like Michael Flynn or Paul Manafort) faced legal penalties; the Russian operatives named remained at large outside the U.S..
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2734 on: March 24, 2026, 01:25:00 PM »
The "key nuances" were never challenged in court
Mueller indicted 13 Russkis and 3 entities over the "hacking" and "influence". They said 'fine', hired U.S. lawyers and said we'll see you in court and we're looking forward to discovery. The charges were dropped. Mueller indicted 13 'Russian intelligence agents' who would never enter the U.S. or U.S. courts. None of the 26 indicted Russians or entities ever went to trial.

The details surrounding the indictments of Russian individuals and entities by Special Counsel Robert Mueller regarding the 2016 U.S. election are partially accurate based on the case history, with key nuances regarding the dropping of charges and legal proceedings.

The Internet Research Agency (IRA) Case (13 Individuals and 3 Entities)

The Indictment: In February 2018, Mueller indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities (Internet Research Agency LLC, Concord Management and Consulting LLC, and Concord Catering) for "information warfare" and conspiracy to defraud the U.S. to influence the 2016 election.

*The Court Appearance: Concord Management and Consulting LLC unexpectedly hired U.S. lawyers and appeared in court, arguing that the special counsel was improperly appointed and demanding discovery.

*Charges Dropped: In March 2020, the Department of Justice (DOJ) moved to drop the conspiracy charge against Concord Management, stating that a trial would likely expose sensitive law enforcement tools and techniques, and that a corporate defendant with no U.S. presence would not face meaningful punishment. The charges against the specific 13 Russian individuals were not dropped; they remained indicted, but the prosecution against the entity (Concord) was abandoned.

The GRU Case (12 Russian Intelligence Agents)

*The Indictment: In July 2018, Mueller indicted 12 Russian military intelligence officers (GRU) for hacking the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.

*Trial Status: These individuals did not appear in U.S. court, and because Russia is unlikely to extradite them, they did not stand trial.

Summary of Trial Status

*None of the 26+ indicted Russian nationals (13 in the IRA case + 12 in the GRU case + others) ever went to trial or appeared in a U.S. courtroom.

*The only Russian entity to fight the case, Concord Management, had the case against it dropped by the DOJ in 2020.

*While 34 individuals and 3 companies were charged in total, only U.S. citizens associated with the campaign (like Michael Flynn or Paul Manafort) faced legal penalties; the Russian operatives named remained at large outside the U.S..
An unprecedented conspiracy to defraud the U.S. never went to trial. No one was found guilty of the charges.
And "sources" told the NYT and Wapo on Dec 9, 2016 that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump even tho there was no Intelligence Community assessment at the time to support the assertion. The latest assessment prior to December was that Russia favored neither candidate over the other.
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2735 on: March 24, 2026, 02:33:18 PM »
The "key nuances" were never challenged in courtAn unprecedented conspiracy to defraud the U.S. never went to trial. No one was found guilty of the charges.
And "sources" told the NYT and Wapo on Dec 9, 2016 that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump even tho there was no Intelligence Community assessment at the time to support the assertion. The latest assessment prior to December was that Russia favored neither candidate over the other.

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On December 9, 2016, the Washington Post and New York Times reported that the CIA had concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election specifically to help Donald Trump win. While a formal, unified Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) was not published until January 2017, internal consensus among agency heads began to solidify during that week in December.

Timeline of Assessments

*Prior to December 2016: On October 7, 2016, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) issued a joint statement officially accusing Moscow of directing hacks to "interfere with the U.S. election process," but it did not specify a preference for a candidate at that time.

*December 9, 2016: Reports emerged of a "secret CIA assessment" presented to senators, stating it was "quite clear" that electing Trump was Russia's goal.

*December 16, 2016: CIA Director John Brennan sent an internal memo stating there was "strong consensus" between himself, FBI Director James Comey, and DNI James Clapper regarding the "scope, nature, and intent" of Russian interference.

*January 2017: The formal Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) was released, concluding with "high confidence" that Russia sought to help Trump’s election chances by discrediting Hillary Clinton.
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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2736 on: March 24, 2026, 02:33:44 PM »
In January 2019, Roger Stone, a longtime political consultant and confidant of Donald Trump, was arrested and indicted on seven counts as part of the Mueller investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team accused Stone of acting as an intermediary between the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks regarding stolen Democratic emails. The indictment focused on "process crimes" rather than direct collusion, specifically:

*Five counts of making false statements to Congress about his communications with WikiLeaks.

*One count of obstruction of a congressional investigation.

*One count of witness tampering for allegedly pressuring radio host Randy Credico to "stonewall" investigators.

In November 2019, a jury convicted Stone on all seven counts. Although sentenced to 40 months in prison, Donald Trump commuted his sentence in July 2020 and later granted him a full pardon in December 2020.

Following the commutation, Mueller broke his typical silence with an op-ed in the Washington Post, asserting that Stone "remains a convicted felon, and rightly so"

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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2737 on: March 24, 2026, 02:55:30 PM »
WikiLeaks obtained the stolen Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails and John Podesta's emails from intermediaries tied to Russian intelligence, according to the U.S. intelligence community and subsequent investigations. The primary intermediary was the persona known as "Guccifer 2.0".

The U.S. Intelligence Community (comprising the CIA, FBI, and NSA) and multiple cybersecurity firms concluded that two Russian intelligence groups, often referred to as "Cozy Bear" and "Fancy Bear," were responsible for the initial hacks into DNC servers and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) systems in 2015 and 2016.

The process of WikiLeaks obtaining the data occurred in the following manner:

*The initial hacks: Russian intelligence agents used spear-phishing attacks to gain access to DNC and DCCC networks and personal email accounts, such as that of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta.

*The intermediary persona: A persona called "Guccifer 2.0" emerged online and claimed to be the lone hacker responsible for the breaches. U.S. officials and cybersecurity experts determined this persona was a front created by Russian military intelligence (GRU) to obfuscate their involvement.

*Coordination and transfer: WikiLeaks communicated with the "Guccifer 2.0" persona via direct message and email, requesting material, particularly items "hillary related". In July 2016, Guccifer 2.0 sent WikiLeaks an email containing an encrypted file with instructions on how to access an archive of stolen DNC documents.

*The release: WikiLeaks received and subsequently published nearly 20,000 DNC emails on July 22, 2016, just before the Democratic National Convention. Later, in October and November 2016, WikiLeaks published installments of emails from John Podesta's account.
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« Reply #2738 on: March 24, 2026, 03:08:24 PM »
I think something's been festering for a while.

He was broke due to the Government shutdown but he had a GoFund me to pay his ChatGPT bill

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« Reply #2739 on: March 24, 2026, 03:09:13 PM »
Mueller indicted 13 Russkis and 3 entities over the "hacking" and "influence". They said 'fine', hired U.S. lawyers and said we'll see you in court and we're looking forward to discovery.
The charges were dropped.

Mueller indicted 13 'Russian intelligence agents' who would never enter the U.S. or U.S. courts.

None of the 26 indicted Russians or entities ever went to trial.

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You seem very happy that the commies got away with something. How much is Putin paying you?

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« Reply #2740 on: March 24, 2026, 03:09:50 PM »
The "key nuances" were never challenged in courtAn unprecedented conspiracy to defraud the U.S. never went to trial. No one was found guilty of the charges.
And "sources" told the NYT and Wapo on Dec 9, 2016 that Russia interfered in the election to help Trump even tho there was no Intelligence Community assessment at the time to support the assertion. The latest assessment prior to December was that Russia favored neither candidate over the other.

When you really get down to it - being Russian is a crime. You seem to think otherwise.

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Re: A place to celebrate celebrity deaths
« Reply #2741 on: March 24, 2026, 03:12:30 PM »
The only hoax perpetrated here was by the usual suspects currently occupying the White House. As evidenced by Putin taunting Trump over The Excursion and offering intelligence to Iran and Trump failing to respond at all. If that doesn't make you wonder, Jim Jones has some kool aid for you in a Guyanan jungle.
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« Reply #2742 on: March 24, 2026, 07:26:14 PM »
But the turn in this thread regarding what Mn said, and actually didn't say, is hilarious and Prime Tempoing.

He said he’d willingly contribute to violating the Constitution.
Wanting America to be better is not America-hating, it’s patriotism.

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« Reply #2743 on: March 24, 2026, 07:27:02 PM »
The only hoax perpetrated here was by the usual suspects currently occupying the White House. As evidenced by Putin taunting Trump over The Excursion and offering intelligence to Iran and Trump failing to respond at all. If that doesn't make you wonder, Jim Jones has some kool aid for you in a Guyanan jungle.

Again, you literally mocked me for 30 minutes a couple weeks ago when I said Russia was aiding Iran.
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« Reply #2744 on: March 24, 2026, 08:29:04 PM »
Again, you literally mocked me for 30 minutes a couple weeks ago when I said Russia was aiding Iran.

I mocked you for thinking it was making some sort of difference. It really isn't. But it just is telling how much Trump is afraid of Putiin or The Pee Tape being released
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