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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2190 on: October 15, 2024, 12:16:31 AM »
I don’t know if this is really that accurate. I’ve read a lot of mid century Beat literature and the gays kind of did their thing and were left alone. There were cases of latent “straight” men bullying them but it wasn’t really the norm. Obviously the behavior was more taboo then than it is now.

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« Reply #2191 on: October 15, 2024, 12:20:28 AM »
I'm afraid beat generation literature doesn't even begin to tell the whole story.  Being gay in the 50s/early 60s was a pretty unpleasant experience for the most part.

Gays faced physical assault, verbal attacks, family rejection, loss of employment, imprisonment and even involuntary psychiatric hospitalization. 

This period was known as the "passing" where gays had to pass themselves off as something else in order to keep a job or secure a roof over their heads.

In 1951, Alan Turing, basically the inventor of the Computer, broke the Enigma machine and pretty much won World War 2, Order of the British Empire and Fellowship of the Royal Society, was found to be gay during an unrelated investigation into a burglary of his residence. He was charged with gross indecency, chemically castrated, and denied entry into the US because of his conviction.

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« Reply #2192 on: October 15, 2024, 12:30:43 AM »
Saying that gays were really just cliquish and left alone for the most part is akin to the delusional logic that leads one to conclude the Civil War was fought over “state’s rights and not slavery.”
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #2193 on: October 15, 2024, 12:55:52 AM »
Saying that gays were really just cliquish and left alone for the most part is akin to the delusional logic that leads one to conclude the Civil War was fought over “state’s rights and not slavery.”

We used to call it delusional. Now it's just Custard. That dude thinks the only greater Football icon than Justin Fields was Tim Beckman

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« Reply #2194 on: October 15, 2024, 04:35:28 AM »

Trump sold steaks and bankrupted casinos.

And was a reality TV star.
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« Reply #2195 on: October 15, 2024, 08:53:32 AM »
if Harris isn't qualified, nobody is. This is just the Presidency, not nomination to be the Deity

Obama was a State Senator and a US Senator
Harris was a DA, AG, US Senator, and VP
Trump sold steaks and bankrupted casinos.

She certainly has the résumé, I’m not sure that means “most qualified.” Lincoln was a state rep for a relatively brief time in a period where there was basically minimal government to speak of. He ended up being eminently qualified.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #2196 on: October 15, 2024, 09:04:29 AM »
She certainly has the résumé, I’m not sure that means “most qualified.” Lincoln was a state rep for a relatively brief time in a period where there was basically minimal government to speak of. He ended up being eminently qualified.

Is that why she got less than 1% in the primary when she tried to run? Talk about Trump being a threat to democracy lol, what they did is criminal. Trump actually has a record to run on and all was fine when he was president. She doesn’t even deserve the nomination, as you see from the voters who previously spoke.
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« Reply #2197 on: October 15, 2024, 10:31:21 AM »
In 1951, Alan Turing, basically the inventor of the Computer, broke the Enigma machine and pretty much won World War 2, Order of the British Empire and Fellowship of the Royal Society, was found to be gay during an unrelated investigation into a burglary of his residence. He was charged with gross indecency, chemically castrated, and denied entry into the US because of his conviction.

That was in the UK

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2198 on: October 15, 2024, 10:36:43 AM »
Saying that gays were really just cliquish and left alone for the most part is akin to the delusional logic that leads one to conclude the Civil War was fought over “state’s rights and not slavery.”

Citing super extreme examples isn’t exactly dispelling the notion that they were left alone for the most part. Society at large in the US hasn’t ever really harbored the hatred for gay people that we are led to believe. Mostly religious zealots and/or latent homos furious at their own attraction to men have done the vast majority of the heinous stuff talked about here and elsewhere. There have generally always been places in the US where gay communities were accepted and thrived.
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« Reply #2199 on: October 15, 2024, 11:03:13 AM »
Citing super extreme examples isn’t exactly dispelling the notion that they were left alone for the most part. Society at large in the US hasn’t ever really harbored the hatred for gay people that we are led to believe. Mostly religious zealots and/or latent homos furious at their own attraction to men have done the vast majority of the heinous stuff talked about here and elsewhere. There have generally always been places in the US where gay communities were accepted and thrived.

The most notable gay community in the US is the Castro District in San Francisco. The openly gay SF city Supervisor representing that area was shot at point blank range, as noted upthread.

The Stonewall riots, also known as the Stonewall uprising, Stonewall rebellion, Stonewall revolution,[3] or simply Stonewall, were a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations against a police raid that took place in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, at the Stonewall Inn, in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of New York City. Although the demonstrations were not the first time American homosexuals fought back against government-sponsored persecution of sexual minorities, the Stonewall riots marked a new beginning for the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world.

"Except for Illinois, which decriminalized sodomy in 1961, homosexual acts, even between consenting adults acting in private homes, were a criminal offense in every U.S. state at the time the Stonewall riots occurred: "An adult convicted of the crime of having sex with another consenting adult in the privacy of his or her home could get anywhere from a light fine to five, ten, or twenty years—or even life—in prison. In 1971, twenty states had 'sex psychopath' laws that permitted the detaining of homosexuals for that reason alone. In Pennsylvania and California sex offenders could be committed to a psychiatric institution for life, and [in] seven states they could be castrated." (Carter, p. 15) Castration, emetics, hypnosis, electroshock therapy and lobotomies were used by psychiatrists to attempt to cure homosexuals through the 1950s and 1960s.(Katz, pp. 181–197.)(Adam, p. 60.)"

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2200 on: October 15, 2024, 11:05:13 AM »
Is that why she got less than 1% in the primary when she tried to run? Talk about Trump being a threat to democracy lol, what they did is criminal. Trump actually has a record to run on and all was fine when he was president. She doesn’t even deserve the nomination, as you see from the voters who previously spoke.

Saint Ronald Reagan lost the 1976 Primary ... to Gerald Ford.

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2201 on: October 15, 2024, 11:05:50 AM »
Citing super extreme examples isn’t exactly dispelling the notion that they were left alone for the most part. Society at large in the US hasn’t ever really harbored the hatred for gay people that we are led to believe. Mostly religious zealots and/or latent homos furious at their own attraction to men have done the vast majority of the heinous stuff talked about here and elsewhere. There have generally always been places in the US where gay communities were accepted and thrived.

Those involved in the Stonewall Riots would like to remind you that history didn't start in 1990 or whatever your starting point here is.

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #2202 on: October 15, 2024, 11:07:19 AM »
and all was fine when he was president.

Certainly is a way to look at it.
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« Reply #2203 on: October 15, 2024, 11:09:43 AM »
That was in the UK

And Matthew Shepard was in Wyoming.
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« Reply #2204 on: October 15, 2024, 11:12:16 AM »
Certainly is a way to look at it.

I know I had way more money in my pocket. There was peace in the world regarding the USA unlike now and all the tensions. Iran was broke. Illegals weren’t swarming our country. America was better under Trump than Biden. Biden came out the other day (I think he is seriously trying to sabotage her campaign) to say Harris has worked hand in hand with him on pretty much everything (even though she tries to distant herself from him and discredit those things). Obviously because most of it was shit.
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