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WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #285 on: April 19, 2020, 08:03:41 PM »
Unless, like other Corona viruses, it mutates.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #286 on: April 19, 2020, 08:06:48 PM »
Were these possibly due to overtaxed health care facilities?

As you probably know, NYC EMTs were directed to code all cardiac arrests that couldn't be resuscitated in the field.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #287 on: April 19, 2020, 08:59:57 PM »
FWIG, the 10367 includes 6589 who were confirmed by tests. Another 3778 were not tested but believed to have died from covid, including some at home, probably based on symptoms.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #288 on: April 19, 2020, 10:17:12 PM »

The people out here in the sticks are taking it pretty damned seriously. But we sticks dwellers, by choice, also have the benefits of not living in a crowded city where people are stacked on top of each other assholes to elbows, which imo has numerous advantages besides just making it easier to social distance and avoid disease.

Speaking of football our entire county’s population is roughly equal to what the attendance for an Illini football game vs Kent State during a snowstorm would be so I think we’ll be fine.

I'm pretty certain those folks protesting in Minneapolis, Lansing, and Columbus, weren't from Minneapolis, Detroit, and Cleveland. The various nextdoor/twitter/facebook in the Bay Area are all people talking about pleading with their parents in their ancestral homelands in the sticks to stay home and get a mask. My 85 year old in-laws have been to the store/CVS 3-4x as often as we have, and have politely waved off any offers for us to set up delivery. Though my sister/brother in-law did drive down from Naperville and have Easter Brunch with them from across the lawn and left pre-sanitized groceries on the step, they thought it was silly. If we attribute that to age - "The sticks" has a much higher average age.

The "assholes to elbows" meme is amusing, but doesn't really tell the story. If every person in Logan County is shopping at the exact same Walmart, they have a *higher* concentration of people in terms of residual contacts than someone in New York City. While they are absolutely just driving their car instead of walking down a sidewalk or taking public transit that might contain other people, that implies other direct contacts at gas stations. But the sidewalks and public transit in metro areas are devoid of people right now anyway. It's easier to self distance in places with a higher level of services - even in sticks-ish Sonoma County we have enough hospitals to separate Covid patients completely by building. The fact that people in the sticks drive everywhere is also contributing to what is showing to be a higher mortality rate because of higher rates of co-morbidity - obesity and diabetes.

ILLove lives in Washoe County NV, which is not particularly dense, and they have a higher per capita infection than San Francisco County, despite not being an international hub of any note. Clinton County IL is "the sticks" and they have 117 cases per 100k people, which is higher than Santa Clara County which was one of the first major epicenters.

Man this is all so elementary I kind of feel bad you spent that much time thinking and typing that out.

In our small town, elderly people mostly sequestered themselves around March 10, as my own grandmother did. She hasn’t left her home since. The churches and citizens volunteered to deliver all the basic needs, peace meals, etc to those at risk or unable to safely get their own goods. Gloves and now masks are worn for delivery and are changed between deliveries.

I would really like to see some national data that shows the foot traffic density per “essential business”

FFS I remember all the Trib articles a few years ago after Dominick’s closed about all the “Food Deserts” in the heart of Chicago. What about those people?
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #289 on: April 19, 2020, 10:22:19 PM »
Unless, like other Corona viruses, it mutates.

No one will stop you from staying in your domicile for as long as you wish, assuming rent is being paid.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #290 on: April 19, 2020, 10:42:58 PM »
The numbers debunk the notion that the covid deaths are being padded. Also indicate that deaths from other causes have increased.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #291 on: April 20, 2020, 02:12:52 AM »
Man this is all so elementary I kind of feel bad you spent that much time thinking and typing that out.

In our small town, elderly people mostly sequestered themselves around March 10, as my own grandmother did. She hasn’t left her home since. The churches and citizens volunteered to deliver all the basic needs, peace meals, etc to those at risk or unable to safely get their own goods. Gloves and now masks are worn for delivery and are changed between deliveries.

I would really like to see some national data that shows the foot traffic density per “essential business”

FFS I remember all the Trib articles a few years ago after Dominick’s closed about all the “Food Deserts” in the heart of Chicago. What about those people?

I see - they just sent all the younger people out to protest, in close quarters, with no masks, calling the government a bunch of overreachers and the pandemic a hoax? While they left grandma at home out of worry? Maybe they're out of a job and being a$troturfed.

If your anecdote it true, it's a tribute to your town. It's clearly not universal nor typical.

The discussion of Food Desert wasn't so much that is "no food", it's that there is "very little healthy food". A lot of Dollar Stores and convenience marts there too, but in Lincoln there is an IGA that's hobbling on its last legs, WalMart, and the Dollar Store. There used to a Kroger and a Jewel as well as a couple butchers and other specialty stores. Now, it's a 50/30/20 split WM/DS/IGA - with nominally the same amount of people going through fewer doors, in fewer aisles, sharing fewer carts.

That sort of consolidation isn't as readily apparent in more urban or even suburban areas.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #292 on: April 20, 2020, 02:17:11 AM »

In our small town, elderly people mostly sequestered themselves around March 10, as my own grandmother did. She hasn’t left her home since. The churches and citizens volunteered to deliver all the basic needs, peace meals, etc to those at risk or unable to safely get their own goods. Gloves and now masks are worn for delivery and are changed between deliveries.


Also: the reason the curve is flattening here is that *EVERYONE* sequestered themselves, not just the elderly. Schools closed before the date you mention above, businesses shut shortly after. Parks are closed. You are not allowed to be in a public business without a mask, nor outdoors unless you are distanced (so for example I have to wear a mask in a parking lot, but not on a bike ride). Churches did their last services on the

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #293 on: April 20, 2020, 11:25:25 AM »
I suppose small business owners from International Falls to Blue Earth who have shut down their never to re-open businesses, and their laid off forever employees who now face a very uncertain future, are included in the protesters who aren't from Minneapolis ?
Minneapolis doesn't have a governor, but the state does, and the governor of the state is in Minneapolis-St Paul. When you no longer have a job and aren't ready to see if the local Wal-Mart is hiring, you might be ok with a road trip.
The protesters are a bunch of out of state wingnut hicks who travelled in is a much cooler story tho. If they would have only moved to California, they could have seen the error of their ways and been more educated, learn to work harder and know to take things more seriously.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #294 on: April 20, 2020, 12:32:56 PM »
I suppose small business owners from International Falls to Blue Earth who have shut down their never to re-open businesses, and their laid off forever employees who now face a very uncertain future, are included in the protesters who aren't from Minneapolis ?
Minneapolis doesn't have a governor, but the state does, and the governor of the state is in Minneapolis-St Paul. When you no longer have a job and aren't ready to see if the local Wal-Mart is hiring, you might be ok with a road trip.
The protesters are a bunch of out of state wingnut hicks who travelled in is a much cooler story tho. If they would have only moved to California, they could have seen the error of their ways and been more educated, learn to work harder and know to take things more seriously.

There's a bit of truth in this.  Probably are some rural small business folks that may have a gripe.  But you have to admit , on the surface it looks like an NRA/Militia gathering funded and promoted by far right causes.  One things for sure, all these "Don't tread on me" types wrapped in their flags can't touch the patriotism  or courage of an ER nurse.  Ask the nurses what they think of these guys.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #295 on: April 20, 2020, 01:15:03 PM »
I suppose small business owners from International Falls to Blue Earth who have shut down their never to re-open businesses, and their laid off forever employees who now face a very uncertain future, are included in the protesters who aren't from Minneapolis ?
Minneapolis doesn't have a governor, but the state does, and the governor of the state is in Minneapolis-St Paul. When you no longer have a job and aren't ready to see if the local Wal-Mart is hiring, you might be ok with a road trip.
The protesters are a bunch of out of state wingnut hicks who travelled in is a much cooler story tho. If they would have only moved to California, they could have seen the error of their ways and been more educated, learn to work harder and know to take things more seriously.

There's a bit of truth in this.  Probably are some rural small business folks that may have a gripe.  But you have to admit , on the surface it looks like an NRA/Militia gathering funded and promoted by far right causes.  One things for sure, all these "Don't tread on me" types wrapped in their flags can't touch the patriotism  or courage of an ER nurse.  Ask the nurses what they think of these guys.
Small businesses are urban and rural. Small business owners are of all different political leanings. People facing financial devastation are urban and rural, and of different political leanings. There are most likely some of each who have no political leanings.
The prospects of a depression have not been eliminated, and some of these people dont want to see one.
A "dont tread on me" type flag bearer may have also been to Viet Nam or the Middle East. I have the utmost respect for ER nurses and would never ask one how they feel about someone they may know little, or nothing, about.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #296 on: April 20, 2020, 01:16:15 PM »
I suppose small business owners from International Falls to Blue Earth who have shut down their never to re-open businesses, and their laid off forever employees who now face a very uncertain future, are included in the protesters who aren't from Minneapolis ?
Minneapolis doesn't have a governor, but the state does, and the governor of the state is in Minneapolis-St Paul. When you no longer have a job and aren't ready to see if the local Wal-Mart is hiring, you might be ok with a road trip.
The protesters are a bunch of out of state wingnut hicks who travelled in is a much cooler story tho. If they would have only moved to California, they could have seen the error of their ways and been more educated, learn to work harder and know to take things more seriously.

This all sounds pretty accurate until you see the Confederate flags. Not exactly sure what those flags have to do with liberty.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #297 on: April 20, 2020, 01:17:24 PM »
I suppose small business owners from International Falls to Blue Earth who have shut down their never to re-open businesses, and their laid off forever employees who now face a very uncertain future, are included in the protesters who aren't from Minneapolis ?
Minneapolis doesn't have a governor, but the state does, and the governor of the state is in Minneapolis-St Paul. When you no longer have a job and aren't ready to see if the local Wal-Mart is hiring, you might be ok with a road trip.
The protesters are a bunch of out of state wingnut hicks who travelled in is a much cooler story tho. If they would have only moved to California, they could have seen the error of their ways and been more educated, learn to work harder and know to take things more seriously.

There's a bit of truth in this.  Probably are some rural small business folks that may have a gripe.  But you have to admit , on the surface it looks like an NRA/Militia gathering funded and promoted by far right causes.  One things for sure, all these "Don't tread on me" types wrapped in their flags can't touch the patriotism  or courage of an ER nurse.  Ask the nurses what they think of these guys.
Small businesses are urban and rural. Small business owners are of all different political leanings. People facing financial devastation are urban and rural, and of different political leanings. There are most likely some of each who have no political leanings.
The prospects of a depression have not been eliminated, and some of these people dont want to see one.
A "dont tread on me" type flag bearer may have also been to Viet Nam or the Middle East. I have the utmost respect for ER nurses and would never ask one how they feel about someone they may know little, or nothing, about.

Unilaterally these events have been draped in two flags.

TRUMP and the Stars and Bars.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #298 on: April 20, 2020, 01:26:04 PM »


ILLove lives in Washoe County NV, which is not particularly dense, and they have a higher per capita infection than San Francisco County, despite not being an international hub of any note. Clinton County IL is "the sticks" and they have 117 cases per 100k people, which is higher than Santa Clara County which was one of the first major epicenters.

did you know that Washoe County is larger than the state of Connecticut?

But anyway, its basically 3 sort of dense cities and then nothingness... the dense stuff is along a major truck/train route from California ports and has a lot of casino/warehouse workers

a lot of people here are taking things seriously though and I see lots staying in and those that are out wearing masks, not sure where the cases are hitting the hardest but I know we had a nursing home get infected

662 cases and 19 deaths in a region of like 470k+ people isn't that crazy IMO especially considering we get a lot of travelers from San Francisco
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #299 on: April 20, 2020, 01:52:43 PM »


ILLove lives in Washoe County NV, which is not particularly dense, and they have a higher per capita infection than San Francisco County, despite not being an international hub of any note. Clinton County IL is "the sticks" and they have 117 cases per 100k people, which is higher than Santa Clara County which was one of the first major epicenters.

did you know that Washoe County is larger than the state of Connecticut?

But anyway, its basically 3 sort of dense cities and then nothingness... the dense stuff is along a major truck/train route from California ports and has a lot of casino/warehouse workers

a lot of people here are taking things seriously though and I see lots staying in and those that are out wearing masks, not sure where the cases are hitting the hardest but I know we had a nursing home get infected

662 cases and 19 deaths in a region of like 470k+ people isn't that crazy IMO especially considering we get a lot of travelers from San Francisco

Three cities - Reno, Sparks, and Black Rock City :)

It's pretty funny that you say "It's not that crazy, we get a lot of people from San Francisco" - when San Francisco has a lower per capita infection rate....
« Last Edit: April 20, 2020, 01:55:25 PM by murphstahoe »