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WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #255 on: April 16, 2020, 09:19:59 PM »
CNN fear mongering

It's these types of quotes that weigh down all your reasonable points.

Dead bodies are easy to quantify. And while reports of people drowning in their own fluids may seem alarmist, the fact is that most people don't like drowning in their own fluids.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #256 on: April 16, 2020, 11:26:43 PM »
CNN fear mongering

It's these types of quotes that weigh down all your reasonable points.

Dead bodies are easy to quantify. And while reports of people drowning in their own fluids may seem alarmist, the fact is that most people don't like drowning in their own fluids.

Dead bodies are easy to quantify. Anyone that tests positive for it dies from it. They get more money that way. Thousands if not millions of people die each year the same way with no fanfare and no economic shutdown that cripples the working class and those in our society that are most vulnerable.

For a place that’s full of liberals I find it interesting how no one is talking about impeachment, the election, and the government giving billions to Wall Street while completely fucking small business, independent contractors and people in the service industries.

I mean those people who are still acting like this is the doomsday virus have to be living in another reality at this point, right? I’m just surprised at how easily you folks in that camp have had your attention diverted.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #257 on: April 17, 2020, 12:15:59 AM »
CNN fear mongering

It's these types of quotes that weigh down all your reasonable points.

Dead bodies are easy to quantify. And while reports of people drowning in their own fluids may seem alarmist, the fact is that most people don't like drowning in their own fluids.

Dead bodies are easy to quantify. Anyone that tests positive for it dies from it. They get more money that way. Thousands if not millions of people die each year the same way with no fanfare and no economic shutdown that cripples the working class and those in our society that are most vulnerable.

For a place that’s full of liberals I find it interesting how no one is talking about impeachment, the election, and the government giving billions to Wall Street while completely fucking small business, independent contractors and people in the service industries.

I mean those people who are still acting like this is the doomsday virus have to be living in another reality at this point, right? I’m just surprised at how easily you folks in that camp have had your attention diverted.

Not sure attention is diverted as opposed to it being completely predictable that Trump would help his friends on Wall Street and in Red States while screwing over everyone else, including a large segment of his fan base.

Nonetheless, you completely ignore that the amount of deaths are double what they are on average in the areas that have been hit hardest by this. That there is only 4 or 8 or whatever known cases in your country is good. Probably a signal that the lockdown is helping prevent the spread to low density areas that are not seeing people who have traveled to areas where they could be exposed.

 Seems odd that the South Dakota meatpacking plant has been hit hard, doesn't it? Or, maybe not since they probably get a ton of truckers, etc. in there.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #258 on: April 17, 2020, 03:21:53 AM »
It's not just the Smithfield plant, of course.

Workers in lots of industries aren't thrilled by their working conditions. Perhaps Custard thinks they all want to be there. Work makes us free, after all.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #259 on: April 17, 2020, 07:28:25 AM »
CNN fear mongering
Dead bodies are easy to quantify. Anyone that tests positive for it dies from it. They get more money that way. Thousands if not millions of people die each year the same way with no fanfare and no economic shutdown that cripples the working class and those in our society that are most vulnerable.

For a place that’s full of liberals I find it interesting how no one is talking about impeachment, the election, and the government giving billions to Wall Street while completely fucking small business, independent contractors and people in the service industries.

I mean those people who are still acting like this is the doomsday virus have to be living in another reality at this point, right? I’m just surprised at how easily you folks in that camp have had your attention diverted.

A positive coronavirus test may not be required in NYC, just the presumption.
"The city has added more than 3700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive."
I'm still waiting for the Minneapolis Star Tribune to have 1 word about the unredacted Horowitz FISA report footnotes that have been released. Not 1 word yet. Tho they hey did cite a newly released report today about the negative effects of Trump's fake news charges on journalism.
Imo Custard, as the economy begins to open I think there is the possibility of a significant rise in deaths. We may be getting thru the 1st phase; but as the economy opens, the death rate may be a function of how much we let our guard down until there is a vaccine.
There's no accepted treatment and no vaccine.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #260 on: April 17, 2020, 10:57:34 AM »
CNN fear mongering
Dead bodies are easy to quantify. Anyone that tests positive for it dies from it. They get more money that way. Thousands if not millions of people die each year the same way with no fanfare and no economic shutdown that cripples the working class and those in our society that are most vulnerable.

For a place that’s full of liberals I find it interesting how no one is talking about impeachment, the election, and the government giving billions to Wall Street while completely fucking small business, independent contractors and people in the service industries.

I mean those people who are still acting like this is the doomsday virus have to be living in another reality at this point, right? I’m just surprised at how easily you folks in that camp have had your attention diverted.

A positive coronavirus test may not be required in NYC, just the presumption.
"The city has added more than 3700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive."
I'm still waiting for the Minneapolis Star Tribune to have 1 word about the unredacted Horowitz FISA report footnotes that have been released. Not 1 word yet. Tho they hey did cite a newly released report today about the negative effects of Trump's fake news charges on journalism.
Imo Custard, as the economy begins to open I think there is the possibility of a significant rise in deaths. We may be getting thru the 1st phase; but as the economy opens, the death rate may be a function of how much we let our guard down until there is a vaccine.
There's no accepted treatment and no vaccine.
Don't let your guard down.

Why you would believe anything from Barr's AG office is beyond me.

That being said, the proof is in the fact that deaths are over 2x what is normally expected than usual. Forget how they classify the numbers, focus on the differences in the current number of deaths versus the average, historical numbers. That will tell you the impact of this.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #261 on: April 17, 2020, 12:58:22 PM »
It's not just the Smithfield plant, of course.

Workers in lots of industries aren't thrilled by their working conditions. Perhaps Custard thinks they all want to be there. Work makes us free, after all.

Smithfield is a Chinese owned company, they probably have all sorts of horrible conditions in their plants, but compared to a Chinese pork factory its probably amazing
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #262 on: April 17, 2020, 01:14:56 PM »
Your mom is a Chinese-owned company.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #263 on: April 17, 2020, 01:44:20 PM »
Perhaps we should ask Smithfield Foods CEO Larry Pope why he sold the family business to the Chinese company.  Nobody held a gun to his back.  Moreover, China has the consumers, while America has the pigs.  It’s a match made in “free-market heaven.”   

How China purchased a prime cut of America’s pork industry

https://www.revealnews.org/article/how-china-purchased-a-prime-cut-of-americas-pork-industry/

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #264 on: April 17, 2020, 02:03:10 PM »
It's not just the Smithfield plant, of course.

Workers in lots of industries aren't thrilled by their working conditions. Perhaps Custard thinks they all want to be there. Work makes us free, after all.

Smithfield is a Chinese owned company, they probably have all sorts of horrible conditions in their plants, but compared to a Chinese pork factory its probably amazing

Who owns Tyson?

The movie Fast Food Nation is pretty accurate - and it pre-dates that sale. Doesn't matter who owns Smithfield, they have to comply with FDA standards.

The issue here is that you have multiple families living together, one works at Smithfield, one works at another plant, etc...

The vector I'm worried about most here is the vineyard workers, the workers from various vineyards socialize together after work, so the virus hops from workforce to workforce.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #265 on: April 17, 2020, 02:07:15 PM »



I don’t buy this at all. Not one little bit. There have been 8 confirmed cases in my entire county and none of them serious let alone fatal. Caution was certainly warranted but once the first wave is flattened and the weather warms it’s going to work in our favor. I read a study they conducted in Germany that something like 15% of one entire community that was tested had already had it and recovered at home or were asymptomatic. When taking this into account it pushed the true treatment and mortality rate down to levels almost like normal seasonal flu. But hey guess we will see what happens.

I don't know what county you're talking about, but the woman with the hair dye is from Michigan which is a big red map.

The reason this started in NYC and the Bay Area is because those are international portals. But it isn't non-existent in the sticks, and the people in the sticks aren't taking this seriously, once it hits it will hit hard, a lot of these areas all the stores went bankrupt and the only groceries are Dollar Tree and Walmart, so it's just a big disease funnel. If you only have 8 cases, chances are you are in a place remote enough that you also don't have a lot of ICU beds, or the ability to just throw up a mobile hospital in a football stadium

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #266 on: April 17, 2020, 03:07:14 PM »
It's not just the Smithfield plant, of course.

Workers in lots of industries aren't thrilled by their working conditions. Perhaps Custard thinks they all want to be there. Work makes us free, after all.

Smithfield is a Chinese owned company, they probably have all sorts of horrible conditions in their plants, but compared to a Chinese pork factory its probably amazing

Who owns Tyson?

The movie Fast Food Nation is pretty accurate - and it pre-dates that sale. Doesn't matter who owns Smithfield, they have to comply with FDA standards.

The issue here is that you have multiple families living together, one works at Smithfield, one works at another plant, etc...

The vector I'm worried about most here is the vineyard workers, the workers from various vineyards socialize together after work, so the virus hops from workforce to workforce.

I've found it fascinating how low the numbers of cases have been on the west coast compared to the midwest and east coast even though it pretty much started on the west coast
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #267 on: April 17, 2020, 03:20:41 PM »
It only kills libruls. Now get out there and lick some doorknobs!

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« Reply #268 on: April 17, 2020, 05:46:09 PM »
It's not just the Smithfield plant, of course.

Workers in lots of industries aren't thrilled by their working conditions. Perhaps Custard thinks they all want to be there. Work makes us free, after all.

Smithfield is a Chinese owned company, they probably have all sorts of horrible conditions in their plants, but compared to a Chinese pork factory its probably amazing

Who owns Tyson?

The movie Fast Food Nation is pretty accurate - and it pre-dates that sale. Doesn't matter who owns Smithfield, they have to comply with FDA standards.

The issue here is that you have multiple families living together, one works at Smithfield, one works at another plant, etc...

The vector I'm worried about most here is the vineyard workers, the workers from various vineyards socialize together after work, so the virus hops from workforce to workforce.

I've found it fascinating how low the numbers of cases have been on the west coast compared to the midwest and east coast even though it pretty much started on the west coast

It started in China, as far as we know.

While there are plenty of connections from the Bay Area and LA to China (I have co-workers and my kid has classmates who were in Shanghai or Beijing over Christmas), New York still has more international connect than SF or LA, and into a more diverse set of communities - Italy, Iran, etc.. that were hit in the first post-Wuhan wave. If you compare the flights to SFO/OAK/SJC vs Kennedy/LaGuardia/Newark, it's paltry. So we weren't as badly positioned as NYC.

Then you have the fact that as a whole, Californians are more educated, work harder, and take things more seriously. When we heard about this virus, the people of the Bay Area just stopped going to work, without being ordered - compared to in Michigan where people didn't do anything and when they were ordered to stay home, complained and bitched, then got TOGETHER and protested in Lansing. It's not that we don't question authority - I mean, we as a state recalled our Governor in 2002. It's that we actually are able to take information, synthesize it, and figure out if our Government is messing with us, rather than just deciding anything coming from the Government is a prori a conspiracy to take our guns and precious bodily fluids.

Our leaders ordered the shutdown early, our citizenry was shutting things down even earlier. I made my first big grocery run to prepare for this thing in February, my son was out of school March 4 - the school shut down not because they decided to, but because nobody was showing up to school. Breed shut down SF officially on March 16 but there was a de facto shut down a week earlier.

If this sounds like a bunch of pompous BS - I refer you to the following thing I just read.

"I've found it fascinating how low the numbers of cases have been on the west coast compared to the midwest and east coast even though it pretty much started on the west coast". Stats don't lie. We did the work. Newsom did an awesome job.

To be fair however, one thing is that in a place like the Bay Area, a huge portion of the workforce can work at home, we have high levels of connectivity and infrastructure in place to deal with this. Even people unwilling to cook at home, Doordash was already ubiquitous, so restaurant closures didn't really throw people for as huge a loop.

Stay safe man - I see that Washoe County has 572 cases compared to Sonoma County's 172, despite us having 2x the population and being 60 miles from SF. Higher per capita in Washoe than any Bay Area County.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #269 on: April 17, 2020, 05:49:47 PM »
It only kills libruls. Now get out there and lick some doorknobs!

I've been following the numbers in the downstate/exurban counties my in laws and extended family from my side live, very closely. I can see the hockey stick coming - I'm worried it's gonna get very very ugly. A lot of these towns are all now forced to shop at the one walmart in the slightly bigger town for almost everything, it's like one stop coronavirus shopping.