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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #240 on: April 16, 2020, 10:36:02 AM »
I just bought a mid-June flight from ORD to LAX for $17.10
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #241 on: April 16, 2020, 11:16:41 AM »
Quote from: fucking on April 16, 2020, 10:36:02 AM
I just bought a mid-June flight from ORD to LAX for $17.10

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #242 on: April 16, 2020, 11:59:30 AM »
Quote from: Custard on April 16, 2020, 10:06:54 AM
People aren’t going to stay hunkered down forever and most of them are a lot more scared of poverty than they are this virus, and it’s hard to argue with that point of view knowing now that this is a lot less dangerous than we were led to believe.

Meanwhile while everyone is freaking out we’ve got the government handing out taxpayer dollars like candy to Wall Street and big businesses while small businesses are struggling to get access to the funds they were promised.

Then they send out these stimulus checks to average Americans that are *just enough* to keep them from asking too many questions or getting too pushy about the stay at home orders. 

And then as a final kick in the nuts it’s been turned into identity politics where you’ve got the Democrat governors wanting to keep the economy shut down indefinitely unless their broke states (Illinois for example) get a bunch more federal money to bail them out.

I propose a very simple solution to this mess: Go back to work and stay the fuck away from Grandma!

I wish George Carlin was still around to give some commentary on this whole study in obfuscation.

Looks like you’ve been doing a little social distancing from reality.   

Let’s look at Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine’s no-nonsense response to the wingnut protests taking place at the state capitol building: 

"We could hear protesters outside your briefing on Thursday, April 9. Folks want to reopen business. How are you managing that backlash?

I fully understand their feelings. I think the thing everyone needs to understand, though, is this economy is not going to come back if people are afraid to go out. So no matter what order I put on, or don’t put on, what we have to do is feed people’s confidence that we can protect them. And we’re putting together a plan, as I know other states are, about how we start to reopen. And it’s based on testing. It’s based on tracing. It’s based on figuring out who has already had it. So that’s what’s going to give people confidence and that’s what’s going to allow our economy to come back. It’s not like I can walk out and turn a switch on, and everything comes back because even if I would walk out tomorrow and say, ‘OK, all the orders, no more orders, do whatever you want to do.’ That doesn’t solve the problem.   If people fear for their life, they’re not going to spend money, they’re not going to go out to eat, they’re not going to go to a ball game, they’re not going to do all the things that we all would want to do."

https://time.com/5820800/ohio-gov-mike-dewine-coronavirus/
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #243 on: April 16, 2020, 12:36:59 PM »
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #244 on: April 16, 2020, 01:28:34 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 16, 2020, 10:06:54 AM

I propose a very simple solution to this mess: Go back to work and stay the fuck away from Grandma!


Then you get into a car accident and the hospital can't deal with you.

There was a woman bitching about not being able to get her hair colored. Hint: coloring her hair is the least of her beauty problem.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #245 on: April 16, 2020, 01:30:17 PM »
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #246 on: April 16, 2020, 01:44:57 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 16, 2020, 10:26:45 AM
I'm guessing there were probably zero protesters in Lansing from out of state. They are free to travel back and forth to their summer cabins in Mich at will. It's just the residents of Mich who can't go to theirs.
And those out of staters can put a canoe in the water when they get to the cabin.
No row boats allowed for anybody tho. There's undoubtedly science somewhere indicating virus transmission does not occur with canoes, just boats.

It seemed to me they went a little too far in MI that you could not go to your other home or shop for whatever was available in the Meijers.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #247 on: April 16, 2020, 01:56:16 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on April 16, 2020, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: Custard on April 16, 2020, 10:06:54 AM
People aren’t going to stay hunkered down forever and most of them are a lot more scared of poverty than they are this virus, and it’s hard to argue with that point of view knowing now that this is a lot less dangerous than we were led to believe.

Meanwhile while everyone is freaking out we’ve got the government handing out taxpayer dollars like candy to Wall Street and big businesses while small businesses are struggling to get access to the funds they were promised.

Then they send out these stimulus checks to average Americans that are *just enough* to keep them from asking too many questions or getting too pushy about the stay at home orders. 

And then as a final kick in the nuts it’s been turned into identity politics where you’ve got the Democrat governors wanting to keep the economy shut down indefinitely unless their broke states (Illinois for example) get a bunch more federal money to bail them out.

I propose a very simple solution to this mess: Go back to work and stay the fuck away from Grandma!

I wish George Carlin was still around to give some commentary on this whole study in obfuscation.

Looks like you’ve been doing a little social distancing from reality.   

Let’s look at Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine’s no-nonsense response to the wingnut protests taking place at the state capitol building: 

"We could hear protesters outside your briefing on Thursday, April 9. Folks want to reopen business. How are you managing that backlash?

I fully understand their feelings. I think the thing everyone needs to understand, though, is this economy is not going to come back if people are afraid to go out. So no matter what order I put on, or don’t put on, what we have to do is feed people’s confidence that we can protect them. And we’re putting together a plan, as I know other states are, about how we start to reopen. And it’s based on testing. It’s based on tracing. It’s based on figuring out who has already had it. So that’s what’s going to give people confidence and that’s what’s going to allow our economy to come back. It’s not like I can walk out and turn a switch on, and everything comes back because even if I would walk out tomorrow and say, ‘OK, all the orders, no more orders, do whatever you want to do.’ That doesn’t solve the problem.   If people fear for their life, they’re not going to spend money, they’re not going to go out to eat, they’re not going to go to a ball game, they’re not going to do all the things that we all would want to do."

https://time.com/5820800/ohio-gov-mike-dewine-coronavirus/

Zoomed with a cousin who worked on the Hill at one point for a GOP Senator. While he is not a rabidly pro-Trump, he is a sympathizer. His wife is also a nurse at a hopsital and they have kids who work in the local supermarket. He was not complaining about the need to re-open the economy immediately as he said this stuff is nasty.

Based on what I have read, deaths are 2x more than what is statistically average for spring in places where this has hit badly. So this crap about this just being the flu and taking out people who would ordinarily die of the flu is just crap.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #248 on: April 16, 2020, 03:27:42 PM »
Oh, why not.
Imo, Whitmer is being fast tracked by the DNC. She spoke at the State of the Union address. Her name gets mentioned for VP. She thinks it's because she's special. Nobody wanted to tell her it's because she's the gov of a swing state. 
Some Mich residents think she went too far with her expanded stay at home and she's got an AG who thought it would be a good idea to antagonize the people who understand the stay at home, but don't understand some of the arbitrary restrictions that have nothing to do with golf.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #249 on: April 16, 2020, 05:24:24 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 16, 2020, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: Custard on April 16, 2020, 10:06:54 AM

I propose a very simple solution to this mess: Go back to work and stay the fuck away from Grandma!


Then you get into a car accident and the hospital can't deal with you.

There was a woman bitching about not being able to get her hair colored. Hint: coloring her hair is the least of her beauty problem.

I don’t buy this at all. Not one little bit. There have been 8 confirmed cases in my entire county and none of them serious let alone fatal. Caution was certainly warranted but once the first wave is flattened and the weather warms it’s going to work in our favor. I read a study they conducted in Germany that something like 15% of one entire community that was tested had already had it and recovered at home or were asymptomatic. When taking this into account it pushed the true treatment and mortality rate down to levels almost like normal seasonal flu. But hey guess we will see what happens.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #250 on: April 16, 2020, 05:29:56 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on April 16, 2020, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: Custard on April 16, 2020, 10:06:54 AM
People aren’t going to stay hunkered down forever and most of them are a lot more scared of poverty than they are this virus, and it’s hard to argue with that point of view knowing now that this is a lot less dangerous than we were led to believe.

Meanwhile while everyone is freaking out we’ve got the government handing out taxpayer dollars like candy to Wall Street and big businesses while small businesses are struggling to get access to the funds they were promised.

Then they send out these stimulus checks to average Americans that are *just enough* to keep them from asking too many questions or getting too pushy about the stay at home orders. 

And then as a final kick in the nuts it’s been turned into identity politics where you’ve got the Democrat governors wanting to keep the economy shut down indefinitely unless their broke states (Illinois for example) get a bunch more federal money to bail them out.

I propose a very simple solution to this mess: Go back to work and stay the fuck away from Grandma!

I wish George Carlin was still around to give some commentary on this whole study in obfuscation.

Looks like you’ve been doing a little social distancing from reality.   

Let’s look at Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine’s no-nonsense response to the wingnut protests taking place at the state capitol building: 

"We could hear protesters outside your briefing on Thursday, April 9. Folks want to reopen business. How are you managing that backlash?

I fully understand their feelings. I think the thing everyone needs to understand, though, is this economy is not going to come back if people are afraid to go out. So no matter what order I put on, or don’t put on, what we have to do is feed people’s confidence that we can protect them. And we’re putting together a plan, as I know other states are, about how we start to reopen. And it’s based on testing. It’s based on tracing. It’s based on figuring out who has already had it. So that’s what’s going to give people confidence and that’s what’s going to allow our economy to come back. It’s not like I can walk out and turn a switch on, and everything comes back because even if I would walk out tomorrow and say, ‘OK, all the orders, no more orders, do whatever you want to do.’ That doesn’t solve the problem.   If people fear for their life, they’re not going to spend money, they’re not going to go out to eat, they’re not going to go to a ball game, they’re not going to do all the things that we all would want to do."

https://time.com/5820800/ohio-gov-mike-dewine-coronavirus/

What does that even have to do with anything I said? What part of anything I said isn’t rooted in reality rather than CNN fear mongering? Obviously things will have to be reopened with a plan you don’t just hit the reopen button.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #251 on: April 16, 2020, 07:32:20 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 16, 2020, 01:30:17 PM
Well known you aren't afraid of dumpsters

At the risk of repeating myself ...

From time to time I read/hear people poking fun at Spirit. I think Jimmy Kimmel is guilty of it, and I suspect he doesn't fly commercial.

I don't know why people want to pay 4x as much, but obviously some do. I don't see why I should subsidize people who can't read good.

I fly fairly often, among various airlines. The least comfortable airline is Southwest, hands down. The seats are packed together just as tightly, but they also recline (which Spirit and Frontier do not). The cattle call is embarrassing. Trying to explain to idiots that my number beats theirs because I hovered over my browser 24-hours before departure time. The race for the "good" seats.

I've had good experiences on the Delta Shuttle, but I've had lousy experiences on the Delta Shuttle. Sometimes you get the plane with no middle seats, sometimes you don't.

United is the second worst. Why did they think I'd want a TV and phone jammed in my face in 2018? Or 2008 for that matter?

American can be useful if you need to hub-n-spoke it to some underserved regional backwater. I almost never fly it even though/because it's the only option in my home town.

I flew Norwegian and easyJet on my European trip in August.  I thought easyJet was fine.

Norwegian economy was good enough for an overnight. (Maybe it was harder on Piper. He's taller than I am.) I took the Premium service on my return from Copenhagen to JFK. It wasn't worth the extra money. I slept well on both legs. Only the wine was free (not liquor) in Premium, and they didn't give it to us when we first got on. We had to get airborne first (a terrible policy).

I've never flown JetBlue. I'm not sure I would trust Allegiant. I aspire to Emirates, but I'm not going that way as far as I know.

I like Megabus. I pay a dollar per ride. I did the Chicago-NYC a couple of times, but because I can fly Spirit for about $30, I usually pay 30x more than I have to. 16 hours is a long time when you've already passed all the scenery a couple of times.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #252 on: April 16, 2020, 07:45:08 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 16, 2020, 05:29:56 PM
CNN fear mongering

It's these types of quotes that weigh down all your reasonable points.

Dead bodies are easy to quantify. And while reports of people drowning in their own fluids may seem alarmist, the fact is that most people don't like drowning in their own fluids.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #253 on: April 16, 2020, 08:10:38 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 16, 2020, 03:27:42 PM
She thinks it's because she's special.

What's your opinion of Sarah Palin?
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #254 on: April 16, 2020, 09:16:57 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on April 16, 2020, 09:14:11 AM
Quote from: illiniray on April 15, 2020, 03:17:31 PM
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 15, 2020, 01:53:09 PM
Quote from: illiniray on April 15, 2020, 01:14:14 AM
WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

He cut taxes; which corporations used to buy back their own stock.  He conflated current quarterly GDP growth with annualized Obama era GDP growth; current U-3 unemployment with Obama era U-6 and labor participation. He exaggerated the reshoring of manufacturing jobs. The CAPE ratio was at 32 and rising before the covid-19 mess hit. Plus deficits were off the chart in supposedly a perfect economy, the best economy ever.

Trump's initial response was to call the pandemic a hoax. Now he blames Democrats, China, the state governors, the WHO, etc for his own missteps. We have a leader who apparently likes to take credit and shift blame; who delegates responsibility but not authority. Meanwhile, his big money backers tend to always see big government as the problem and think free markets can fix everything.  I think George W Bush learned his lesson from Katrina. Sadly, some Republicans  think Obama was actually responsible for the Katrina response. It appears others seriously think disaster response is primarily up to the private sector and the respective states or territories. Puerto Rico anyone? So what we got was another sluggish, semi-coherent response with a lot of finger pointing at others. 

Trump Apologists:

"When Trump blocked all travel from China; Biden, Pelosi, and the liberal media called him a racist."
 
"The Democrats held up the covid-19 relief package by trying to add abortion funding and aid to Iran."   

Let's put it this way. There are protestors in Lansing Fucking scUM, protesting the stay at home order and waving their Trump flags

fidiots. Those are the ones who say "frickin'-a" when Trump claims absolute power, fires a bunch of IGs, puts his name on stimulus checks ...

yikes man, you need a few dozen red pills to cure your very bad case of TDS

You need to get your head out your ass.  Seriously.
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