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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1350 on: December 12, 2022, 07:16:58 PM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1351 on: December 12, 2022, 07:35:41 PM »
Underwood should have said  “I did not make the proper adjustments to take away the wide open 3 point looks they got”. That’s why Illinois lost.

It’s like blaming some intangible like “effort or leadership” when you get worked by an inferior team playing better basketball.  Same as Loyola.

The more I watch that press conference, the more I hate it.  It has nothing to do with throwing Shannon under the bus. It’s more Underwood’s self righteous attitude of  “But I circled this one on the calendar”.  Fuck off.  Your game plan lost them the game just like it did vs Loyola.

The stats don’t even back up that “effort” wasn’t there.  I measure effort by the amount of offensive rebounds a team both gets and gives up.  Penn State missed 27 shots and only got 3 offensive rebs.  Effort was fine.  Skill, basketball smarts, game plan were all terrible which is directly back to Underwood

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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1352 on: December 12, 2022, 08:14:57 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 12, 2022, 07:16:58 PM
https://thespun.com/.amp/top-stories/bret-bielema-getting-crushed-for-what-he-told-media

I did not know any of the players cited.

Also, I don't think saying a coach is only as good as his players is that controversial.

He also took issue with the O linemen Lovie recruited. Well, at least he did not call them out by name. Probably did not even know their names.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1353 on: December 12, 2022, 08:29:07 PM »
Man. Tempo STILL doesn’t know what Bielema actually said/meant. He’s still running with the out of context interpretation he saw on Twitter and linked here a bit ago. It’s absolutely mind boggling yet so perfectly on-brand.
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« Reply #1354 on: December 12, 2022, 08:30:13 PM »
Other than the 1st string, the OL room was empty. The OL and DL lines are the foundations of a team.
The critics in The Spun article have anything to say after getting the win at #7 PSU the following Sat ?
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1355 on: December 12, 2022, 08:58:33 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on December 12, 2022, 07:35:41 PM
Underwood should have said  “I did not make the proper adjustments to take away the wide open 3 point looks they got”. That’s why Illinois lost.

It’s like blaming some intangible like “effort or leadership” when you get worked by an inferior team playing better basketball.  Same as Loyola.

The more I watch that press conference, the more I hate it.  It has nothing to do with throwing Shannon under the bus. It’s more Underwood’s self righteous attitude of  “But I circled this one on the calendar”.  Fuck off.  Your game plan lost them the game just like it did vs Loyola.

The stats don’t even back up that “effort” wasn’t there.  I measure effort by the amount of offensive rebounds a team both gets and gives up.  Penn State missed 27 shots and only got 3 offensive rebs.  Effort was fine.  Skill, basketball smarts, game plan were all terrible which is directly back to Underwood


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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1356 on: December 12, 2022, 09:10:28 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 12, 2022, 08:14:57 PM

Also, I don't think saying a coach is only as good as his players is that controversial.


It isn’t…however, have you ever heard a coach say in the middle of the season “I’m only as good as my players (meaning, not good)?”
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1357 on: December 12, 2022, 09:12:38 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 12, 2022, 08:29:07 PM
Man. Tempo STILL doesn’t know what Bielema actually said/meant. He’s still running with the out of context interpretation he saw on Twitter and linked here a bit ago. It’s absolutely mind boggling yet so perfectly on-brand.

I’ve watched the video like 7x you fucking moron. What other interpretation of “a jockey is only so good as the horse” is there? You can’t be this fucking dense.

And again, I never took issue with the accuracy of what he said. But bus tossing your roster just isn’t something you want your coach doing.

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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1358 on: December 12, 2022, 09:16:15 PM »
Quote from: Custard on December 12, 2022, 08:29:07 PM
Man. Tempo STILL doesn’t know what Bielema actually said/meant. He’s still running with the out of context interpretation he saw on Twitter and linked here a bit ago. It’s absolutely mind boggling yet so perfectly on-brand.

Feel free to “explain it” in your words…
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1359 on: December 12, 2022, 09:19:52 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 12, 2022, 09:10:28 PM
It isn’t…however, have you ever heard a coach say in the middle of the season “I’m only as good as my players (meaning, not good)?”

Kind of. Ditka said the Bear would not win another game in their season that one year and he was right.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1360 on: December 12, 2022, 09:32:40 PM »
“I just know this, as a head coach you’re only as good as your roster, right?” - Brett Bielema (in season, to the media)

Then he goes on to talk extensively about how he needs to turn the roster over (even makes sure to say “they recruited” when talking about the previous regime’s offensive lineman).

On what planet is this not a complete bus tossing of his players by a head coach?

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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1361 on: December 12, 2022, 09:34:05 PM »
Again, I never once said he was wrong. Just that you don’t want that out there on video. You can have those discussions with coaches, admin, boosters.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1362 on: December 12, 2022, 09:34:33 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 12, 2022, 09:19:52 PM
Kind of. Ditka said the Bear would not win another game in their season that one year and he was right.

That’s a reasonable pull. Still nothing to be emulated.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1363 on: December 12, 2022, 09:38:18 PM »
He was specifically asked about future recruiting. He mentioned the fact the previous staff had left no depth on the O Line, and he pointed out they would have to recruit if they wanted to have success. Thus the jockey analogy. It was not a question about the current roster.

I don’t understand why you can’t adjust your position on this rather than regurgitating the same incorrect information you’ve been rolling with since the day you made a thread calling Bielema trash because you saw some BS from a Chicago sports talk meatball on the Twitter no one reads. It’s getting to the point of being willfully obtuse. You pride yourself on being reasonable and fair, but you’re just flat out wrong on this and refuse to acknowledge it.

The Underwood presser was infinitely worse.


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“Answering a question about his approach to recruiting as a head coach, Bielema on Monday said: “I just know this: as a head coach, you’re only as good as your roster. I kind of learned that the first time I went to the Kentucky Derby. Nobody was betting on the jockeys, everybody was betting on the horses. To win the derby, you’ve got to have the right horse and I think our players are going to be a reflection of what our program stands for.

I stood at the front of the room last year when I took over and said everybody is invited back because of COVID, they gave me the opportunity to do that. As this roster continues to transition, I’ve got to make tough decisions. The players have to make decisions. The roster is going to have to change to get to where we want to be to win a championship. I recognized that probably midway through the spring last year, through the summer. Certain positions haven’t probably played out the way they envisioned them to, in particular the offensive line. I don’t believe we have a player in the two-deep that they’ve recruited here over the last three [recruiting classes] that is really significantly doing anything for us in the playing department and that’s a major concern.”


Bielema was referring to a future hole in his roster on the offensive line. The Illini currently have no offensive linemen who were recruited in the previous staff's last three recruiting classes. The two offensive linemen from the Class of 2019 are third-stringers. The three offensive linemen from the Class of 2020 have all transferred.

Then Illinois has three true freshmen who need more development, though Josh Kreutz played some jumbo tight end snaps and Bielema said true freshman Zachary Barlev could play at Penn State. With five of the current top-seven offensive linemen out of eligibility after this season, the Illinois staff is looking at the transfer market, including junior-college recruits, to make an immediate impact on the offensive line next season.

But video of that one-minute and 36-second was tweeted by a local television reporter, and the tweet three days later has more than 300 replies, 750 quote tweets, 130 retweets and 950 likes. Many of the comments and quote-tweets were highly critical of Bielema publicly pointing out roster flaws he inherited, including a few former Illinois players who didn’t play for Bielema. Many media members who weren’t in the press conference also voiced criticism about the comments.

“Unfortunately, that’s the world we live in, when little snippets get taken here and there and spins get taken and completely blown out of proportion,” Bielema said. “Anybody that’s commented on it that doesn’t know me is really taking it out of context completely different from what the question was that was asked. We’ll live through the moment of it. I appreciate all the people that reached out to me, national media especially, that understand what happened and what transpired. The kids have been awesome. So it’s kind of a non-factor in this building. I understand you can’t do anything about social media. You guys got jobs to do, and I understand sometimes click and bait and comments sometimes are part of it. That’s what you got to do. Unfortunately, sometimes when you’re a 2-5 football team, sometimes those get amplified. We’ll advance from this moment forward and take it as a learning moment for everybody involved.”

https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-football-Bret-Bielema-roster-personnel-viral-comments-out-of-context-173570640/

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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1364 on: December 12, 2022, 10:12:08 PM »
That post is devastating.
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