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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1200 on: April 01, 2022, 06:29:19 PM »
Yes!  The entire point is that it’s really, really dumb to discount a coach’s success because he had good players on his team.

The point was NOT “Belichick isn’t actually a good coach because he had Tom Brady on his team and that’s why he won”, the point is specifically that that would be a really stupid thing to say.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1201 on: April 01, 2022, 06:30:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 01, 2022, 06:29:10 PM
So I guess you’re not going to go “yes or no” on something you obviously did.

Pretty hard to firmly answer yes or no on something I don’t understand and that you just made up.

I explained clearly a few posts ago what I was saying.  You can decide whether that’s “sample sizing” something, you’re the only one who knows what that means.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1202 on: April 01, 2022, 06:30:31 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 01, 2022, 06:29:19 PM
Yes!  The entire point is that it’s really, really dumb to discount a coach’s success because he had good players on his team.

But we’re talking two decades. Not a single season. And Belichick was basically the architect of those teams.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1203 on: April 01, 2022, 06:30:49 PM »
Huge difference in the “sample size” there.
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« Reply #1204 on: April 01, 2022, 06:31:45 PM »
And again, Belichick did it with several different core units; and yes, almost exclusively one QB.
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« Reply #1205 on: April 01, 2022, 06:36:00 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 01, 2022, 06:30:19 PM
Pretty hard to firmly answer yes or no on something I don’t understand and that you just made up.

I explained clearly a few posts ago what I was saying.  You can decide whether that’s “sample sizing” something, you’re the only one who knows what that means.

I’m not “making anything up.” You made those “sample size comparisons“ to pump up Nagy and Trubiksy. It’s ok, just own it. We’re all guilty of being fans.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1206 on: April 01, 2022, 06:37:24 PM »
It’s ok, you say you didn’t. I can ask “who ate all the ice cream?” And you can deny doing it, but when I see you with chocolate all over your face, I kinda know better.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1207 on: April 01, 2022, 06:39:09 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 01, 2022, 06:36:00 PM
I’m not “making anything up.” You made those “sample size comparisons“ to pump up Nagy and Trubiksy. It’s ok, just own it. We’re all guilty of being fans.

Do you really just want me to keep repeating this?

On the last page I was very clear, was I not?  It’s up to you whether saying “judging a guy on his first half a season is dumb” is “sample sizing” something.  I can’t tell you because that’s a verb you just made up, and I don’t know what is or isn’t “sample sizing”.  I was making the point that judging players on a tiny half-season sample size is dumb, so if that’s “sample sizing” something yes.
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« Reply #1208 on: April 01, 2022, 06:39:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 01, 2022, 06:37:24 PM
It’s ok, you say you didn’t. I can ask “who ate all the ice cream?” And you can deny doing it, but when I see you with chocolate all over your face, I kinda know better.

When you’ve gotta lie about the other guy’s stance, you probably lost the argument.
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« Reply #1209 on: April 01, 2022, 07:08:35 PM »
Mahomes and Trubisky’s stats were “pretty comparable” at one time.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1210 on: April 01, 2022, 10:58:13 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 01, 2022, 06:19:27 PM
Belichick is 51-65 without Tom Brady.

Yeah he was terrible in Cleveland it’s why he got fired.

But it’s true Brady made him a way better coach than what his reputation is
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1211 on: April 02, 2022, 09:58:38 AM »
Underwood went 12-21 with this roster in 2018-19.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2019.html

FR: Ayo Dosunmu
FR: Alan Griffin
FR: Tevian Jones
FR: Giorgi
SO: Trent Frazier
JR: Kipper Nichols
JR: Andres Feliz
SR: Aaron Jordan

Basically lot of perimeter guys of similar quality that he’s always had.  Difference course between 12-21 and 23-9 is Kofi

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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1212 on: April 02, 2022, 10:08:07 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 02, 2022, 09:58:38 AM
Underwood went 12-21 with this roster in 2018-19.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/illinois/2019.html

FR: Ayo Dosunmu
FR: Alan Griffin
FR: Tevian Jones
FR: Giorgi
SO: Trent Frazier
JR: Kipper Nichols
JR: Andres Feliz
SR: Aaron Jordan

Basically lot of perimeter guys of similar quality that he’s always had.  Difference course between 12-21 and 23-9 is Kofi

You really are dumb, aren’t you?
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1213 on: April 02, 2022, 10:09:53 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 01, 2022, 02:36:25 PM
We should have lost the first game.

Tempo, you are arguing with people who undoubtedly think Illinois is a better program than Villanova..
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #1214 on: April 02, 2022, 10:12:04 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 01, 2022, 02:01:05 PM
Huh?

Big Ten Championships don't matter at all.  All that matters is the crap-shoot single elimination tournament.

They don't play One Shining Moment at the end of the B1G regular season.
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