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Re: Underwood
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2021, 07:51:02 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on March 15, 2021, 07:44:26 PM
What is the "going rate" when no competitors are interested in purchasing the service?

The comparison here is not what Kirk Ferentz or Pat Fitzgerald make. That is how bad ADs wind up owing $$$ in buyouts, and that's the bullshit they feed dopey fiduciaries who don't take their job seriously.

This part I agree with. I don't know why Josh paid top dollar for the retreads, except for the obvious inference (that neither would accept a lesser offering because of the damage it would do to their reputations, and they didn't need the money).

But for purposes of both ongoing threads about coaching salaries, I'm talking about assistants.
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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2021, 11:38:41 PM »
Historically assistants are underpaid relative to the boss, specifically ace recruiters.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2021, 12:02:34 AM »
But programs not run by Ron Guenther pay their assistants well. Good programs, that is.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2021, 12:08:36 AM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on March 15, 2021, 11:38:41 PM
Historically assistants are underpaid relative to the boss, specifically ace recruiters.

The Illini better pay Orlando and Coleman.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2021, 12:12:54 AM »
Exactly.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2021, 02:13:29 AM »
Quote from: Jobu on March 15, 2021, 11:49:36 AM
Lorenzo Romar.  Never forget Lorenzo Romar.

Yep; he was like my 5th (realistic) choice after we fired Weber. I was clearly all-in on Romar.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2021, 02:19:55 AM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on March 15, 2021, 03:04:01 PM
Well he had no problem with football.

I'm of the school of thought that you don't compete if a blue blood wants to make an insane offer, but otherwise you pay the man at this point and I don't see Brad being an obvious target for Kentucky or the NBA. Plus,  I don't want Whitman making another coaching hire.

I thought we were his dream job. He’s done a hell of a job putting this team together, but I’d be surprised if Underwood got hired by someone bigger and better. I think he’d take a hometown discount but I could be wrong.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2021, 02:23:05 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on March 16, 2021, 12:08:36 AM
The Illini better pay Orlando and Coleman.

Yes. Agreed.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2021, 02:29:07 AM »
Quote from: Miniditka on March 15, 2021, 02:55:41 PM
The coach I wanted to have fired and constantly criticized just turned out the best team in a historically good Big 10 conference and has us as a 1 seed who is favored to get to the Final Four at least. I want you all to know that I was mostly, sort of wrong about him.

Of course, all the things I was wrong about were either complete luck or were completely unforeseeable to anyone, no matter how knowledgeable. So in that sense, I really wasn’t wrong, because it would have been impossible for a realistic person to be right in that situation. I will not comment on the many posters who disagreed with me constantly and actually were right.

In conclusion, I’d rather have a coach who will never put a team this good together in his career.

Solid work. But I think it’s safe to say Underwood found a nice balance of good work and luck. This team probably doesn’t exist as is if not for Covid. And we’ve all seen our share of one-hit wonders. I remember when Bruce Weber was the cat’s meow (or even John Groce in year 2). I’ll extend it to a full mea culpa if Underwood is still winning big in 2-3 years. Having said that; what we’ve seen the past 6 weeks has far exceeded any realistic expectations.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2021, 07:43:55 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 16, 2021, 02:29:07 AM
Solid work. But I think it’s safe to say Underwood found a nice balance of good work and luck. This team probably doesn’t exist as is if not for Covid. And we’ve all seen our share of one-hit wonders. I remember when Bruce Weber was the cat’s meow (or even John Groce in year 2). I’ll extend it to a full mea culpa if Underwood is still winning big in 2-3 years. Having said that; what we’ve seen the past 6 weeks has far exceeded any realistic expectations.

You are such a Chicagoan....the ultimate insult on this board!
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2021, 07:50:21 AM »
It might. But it might not.

Think about that.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2021, 08:08:32 AM »
Tempo and his disastrous forward thinking and just here to stir the pot comments are back.  Things are trending up at the HQ2.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2021, 08:12:12 AM »
Quote from: fucking on March 16, 2021, 07:50:21 AM
It might. But it might not.

Think about that.

Oh, it has become the insult du jour for not drinking the orange kool-aid because of two good seasons of basketball and paying market rates for an unemployed football coach who had zero other job opportunities. Hopefully it works out better than the Bears QB situation.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2021, 11:04:20 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on March 16, 2021, 02:29:07 AM
Solid work. But I think it’s safe to say Underwood found a nice balance of good work and luck. This team probably doesn’t exist as is if not for Covid. And we’ve all seen our share of one-hit wonders. I remember when Bruce Weber was the cat’s meow (or even John Groce in year 2). I’ll extend it to a full mea culpa if Underwood is still winning big in 2-3 years. Having said that; what we’ve seen the past 6 weeks has far exceeded any realistic expectations.
Thanks. I think you’re already 100% proven wrong though. Neither Groce nor Weber was able to put together a great team, and Groce never even put together a good one. This team is pretty much 100% Underwood.

LOL at equating “realistic expectations” with your own expectations, BTW. Classic Tempo!
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2021, 11:26:40 AM »
I don’t think pointing out that the Chicago people here are typically more cynical than others is an insult, it’s just an observed behavior. It’s like you can’t even enjoy the success because it might not last. But that’s precisely why you should enjoy it.

It’s ok to give the staff and AD some props and a job well done to this point. Doesn’t mean once you’ve praised someone they have to turn in a career like K or Izzo to warrant your current approval.

Confucius say: Do not trade appreciation of what we are witnessing for AOTC points on HQ.
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