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Re: Underwood
« Reply #150 on: March 21, 2021, 01:36:34 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on March 16, 2021, 12:08:36 AM
The Illini better pay Orlando and Coleman.

And pay better players to come to Champaign.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #151 on: March 21, 2021, 01:40:05 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 21, 2021, 01:33:47 PM
This one has to sting.

Not enough to go off the deep end like you apparently are with all these bumps.

I still like you though.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #152 on: March 21, 2021, 01:41:23 PM »
Quote from: Miniditka on March 18, 2021, 03:54:32 PM
I would have been happy with a 5 seed, presuming the cupboard wasn’t bare for the future.

Bottom line, I (and many others) always thought Underwood was a good coach and would turn it around, and you didn’t. You’re nitpicking over definitions to try to make yourself look “realistic” instead of wrong.

But you can’t. The only way you could have been more wrong is if you were ChicagoFan or CT (who still somehow pined for Weber).

Head out over your skis a little here.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #153 on: March 21, 2021, 01:43:03 PM »
Quote from: Miles Leonard on March 21, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
Not enough to go off the deep end like you apparently are with all these bumps.

I still like you though.

You're a good egg. Just giving Custard the business here. Although,  I have not found his "cynical Chicagoans" posts yet on the Underwood issue....
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #154 on: March 21, 2021, 01:58:33 PM »
Quote from: Jimmy Chitwood on March 16, 2021, 11:18:10 PM
Back on the old board, when Underwood was hired, I was the one that said he was a great hire and he was a big dick coach and would have big dick recruiting. After 4 years, my assessment has been correct..like usual.


Magic 8 Ball says....not so sure.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #155 on: March 21, 2021, 02:14:23 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 21, 2021, 01:26:57 PM
Might want to reconsider this and the Krutwig take.
The one where I said I wish we'd offered him?

My year 2 concern was that we had too much roster turnover and recruiting wouldn't be able to compensate.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #156 on: March 21, 2021, 02:17:44 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on March 21, 2021, 01:33:31 PM
He’s got the program going in the right direction. Shitty day today all around.
Alan Griffin got just as far in tournament as we did.

We're in neutral right now. Should have a good core next year but if Belo or Miller bail we're fucked.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #157 on: March 21, 2021, 03:12:26 PM »
We lost to an experienced top 20 team while missing a ton of shots that normally go down. It was a clown show. Most of it was their prep and play and some of it was just that kind of off day that happens in the tourney when the bright lights are on.

If you want to look for something that’s not a slam on someone find where I’ve said multiple times that “positionless” Brad Underwood constructed too much of a traditional roster which works for the B1G but there’s a reason basketball has moved away from that. I mean you get a guy like Kofi you work with that. But we never got the stretch 4 or versatile 5 this team desperately needed. Too one dimensional in every aspect today and too slow to adjust.

I think BU deserves a lot of the blame not just for Loyola looking like the better coached team but also for not getting a big guy a couple years ago that allows this team to play a more modern style of game. It’s evident in his recruiting that he realizes the shortcomings of this type of roster and is loading up on skilled athletic wings.


I’m not going to jump off the bridge here on Underwood when he took a perennial bubble team to a ~top 20 team in 3 seasons and a top 2 ranking, 1 seed, BTT win, and arguable reg season B1G championship in year 4. It’s not the end of the world.

I give Loyola a ton of credit for coming to play and taking away everything the Illini tried to do. Those turnovers weren’t accidents, in most cases Loyola put guys in places to create them.

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Re: Underwood
« Reply #158 on: March 21, 2021, 03:19:57 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 21, 2021, 03:12:26 PM
We lost to an experienced top 20 team while missing a ton of shots that normally go down. It was a clown show. Most of it was their prep and play and some of it was just that kind of off day that happens in the tourney when the bright lights are on.

If you want to look for something that’s not a slam on someone find where I’ve said multiple times that “positionless” Brad Underwood constructed too much of a traditional roster which works for the B1G but there’s a reason basketball has moved away from that. I mean you get a guy like Kofi you work with that. But we never got the stretch 4 or versatile 5 this team desperately needed. Too one dimensional in every aspect today and too slow to adjust.

I think BU deserves a lot of the blame not just for Loyola looking like the better coached team but also for not getting a big guy a couple years ago that allows this team to play a more modern style of game. It’s evident in his recruiting that he realizes the shortcomings of this type of roster and is loading up on skilled athletic wings.


I’m not going to jump off the bridge here on Underwood when he took a perennial  to a ~top 20 team in 3 seasons and a top 2 ranking, 1 seed, BTT win, and arguable reg season B1G championship in year 4. It’s not the end of the world.

I give Loyola a ton of credit for coming to play and taking away everything the Illini tried to do. Those turnovers weren’t accidents, in most cases Loyola put guys in places to create them.

Good post, but the trolls are out. It’s almost like ThePAMan and Tempo enjoy this. Coming in here to somehow validate whatever the fuck they’re trying to validate. I’m still not sure what they’re trying to gloat about or why. Makes no sense whatsoever. Or what their point is or what they’d change. What is it they wanting to happen?
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #159 on: March 21, 2021, 03:27:04 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 21, 2021, 03:12:26 PM
We lost to an experienced top 20 team while missing a ton of shots that normally go down. It was a clown show. Most of it was their prep and play and some of it was just that kind of off day that happens in the tourney when the bright lights are on.

If you want to look for something that’s not a slam on someone find where I’ve said multiple times that “positionless” Brad Underwood constructed too much of a traditional roster which works for the B1G but there’s a reason basketball has moved away from that. I mean you get a guy like Kofi you work with that. But we never got the stretch 4 or versatile 5 this team desperately needed. Too one dimensional in every aspect today and too slow to adjust.

I think BU deserves a lot of the blame not just for Loyola looking like the better coached team but also for not getting a big guy a couple years ago that allows this team to play a more modern style of game. It’s evident in his recruiting that he realizes the shortcomings of this type of roster and is loading up on skilled athletic wings.


I’m not going to jump off the bridge here on Underwood when he took a perennial bubble team to a ~top 20 team in 3 seasons and a top 2 ranking, 1 seed, BTT win, and arguable reg season B1G championship in year 4. It’s not the end of the world.

I give Loyola a ton of credit for coming to play and taking away everything the Illini tried to do. Those turnovers weren’t accidents, in most cases Loyola put guys in places to create them.

Very well said.  My expectations going into the season was sweet 16.  Missed by a game against a top 20 team that was inappropriately seeded.  BYU a 6?  gmafb!
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #160 on: March 21, 2021, 03:31:17 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 21, 2021, 03:12:26 PM
We lost to an experienced top 20 team while missing a ton of shots that normally go down. It was a clown show. Most of it was their prep and play and some of it was just that kind of off day that happens in the tourney when the bright lights are on.

If you want to look for something that’s not a slam on someone find where I’ve said multiple times that “positionless” Brad Underwood constructed too much of a traditional roster which works for the B1G but there’s a reason basketball has moved away from that. I mean you get a guy like Kofi you work with that. But we never got the stretch 4 or versatile 5 this team desperately needed. Too one dimensional in every aspect today and too slow to adjust.

I think BU deserves a lot of the blame not just for Loyola looking like the better coached team but also for not getting a big guy a couple years ago that allows this team to play a more modern style of game. It’s evident in his recruiting that he realizes the shortcomings of this type of roster and is loading up on skilled athletic wings.


I’m not going to jump off the bridge here on Underwood when he took a perennial bubble team to a ~top 20 team in 3 seasons and a top 2 ranking, 1 seed, BTT win, and arguable reg season B1G championship in year 4. It’s not the end of the world.

I give Loyola a ton of credit for coming to play and taking away everything the Illini tried to do. Those turnovers weren’t accidents, in most cases Loyola put guys in places to create them.

The point is, and was, and remains, let's wait until he actually coaches some NCAA tournament games until he is "crowned" and ChicagoFan owes mea culpas. Today was a very huge Red Flag if you ask me. He got punked despite having an advantage at every position (if you want to debate this point, that's fine). This team looked completely unprepared to play a team WI beat by 14 and only had 2 quad 1 wins (I think I have that right). The performance today was not only pathetic, but, unacceptable.

TL:DR I'm not drinking the kool aid anytime soon.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #161 on: March 21, 2021, 03:31:24 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 21, 2021, 01:32:19 PM
Put a fork in Brad Underachiever.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #162 on: March 21, 2021, 03:34:50 PM »
Quote from: Miniditka on March 21, 2021, 03:31:24 PM
Hey, Legends is back guys!

Ha ha. Lot of Low Thinking on the sidelines today!
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #163 on: March 21, 2021, 03:35:17 PM »
Tempo has a longstanding reputation for coming across as self-loathing. Maybe that’s his actual personality, or maybe it’s just a message board schtick. Regardless, no one should be surprised by it.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #164 on: March 21, 2021, 03:35:42 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 15, 2021, 11:52:08 AM
Underwood at.least has shown he is adaptable to his talent. Which is pleasantly surprising and obviously a good sign as to his coaching abilities.

A concern I have had lately is how they seem to be able to get the ball to Kofi in the 1st half of games, then the opponent makes.asjustments to deny him the ball in the 2d half, and there is no adjustment on the Illini's part to be able to get the ball inside consistently.

Flame away, ECI UFFs!

So apparently Underwood wasn’t hailed by this crowd as a real
coup in the coaching department. What’s your recollection of this? And what was everyone excited about? Was it his stellar recruiting as a major D1 HC of one year?
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