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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6495 on: February 19, 2025, 04:57:30 PM »
We might as well accept that Trump apologists dwell in an alternate realm with very disposable, alternate facts. It's a realm in which Russia and Vlad Putin are presently victims of Ukraine's aggression. Don't get too attached to that version of events though.

You can bet that anyone in Trump's way is always the worst person ever, while Trump is always the great hero.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6496 on: February 19, 2025, 05:10:28 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 19, 2025, 04:57:30 PM
We might as well accept that Trump apologists dwell in an alternate realm with very disposable, alternate facts. It's a realm in which Russia and Vlad Putin are presently victims of Ukraine's aggression. Don't get too attached to that version of events though.

You can bet that anyone in Trump's way is always the worst person ever, while Trump is always the great hero.

basically pick an issue..

I hate abortion
I hate taxes
I hate illegal immigrants

OK - Trump has your back on that issue, so that's your team. And like Bears or Illini fans, the team can do no wrong. Anything the team does can be rationalized, because fuck the Packers and fuck Iowa
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6497 on: February 19, 2025, 05:48:23 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 19, 2025, 05:10:28 PM
basically pick an issue..

I hate abortion
I hate taxes
I hate illegal immigrants

OK - Trump has your back on that issue, so that's your team. And like Bears or Illini fans, the team can do no wrong. Anything the team does can be rationalized, because fuck the Packers and fuck Iowa

Also,

Welfare recipients
Muslims
Anyone that looks Muslim
Other non-Christians
Racial & Ethnic minorities

new additions:

Foreign Aid.
Vaccines
Science

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6498 on: February 19, 2025, 06:51:04 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 19, 2025, 05:48:23 PM
Also,

Welfare recipients
Muslims
Anyone that looks Muslim
Other non-Christians
Racial & Ethnic minorities

new additions:

Foreign Aid.
Vaccines
Science

Vaccines weren't that controversial. Until it was a Trumpublican talking point. If Trump had gotten up there and been vaccinated on stage and crowed about how awesome it was and we're gonna beat this goddamn thing - 90% of Trumpublicans would have gotten on board. Ukraine - if Trump got up there and said "Fuck the Russians" he probably could have gotten actual on the ground troops over there (it wouldn't have been a good idea but just sayin).

Trump is either
1) Completely Stupid
2) A master of sleight of hand and deception
3) An actual manchurian candidate

or a combo

In 2019, I would have said "slightly stupid". I don't like slightly stupid but Trump's first term only slightly annoyed me - I probably thought it was less bad than GWB's first term. But man, this is some solidly fuckistan kind of stuff now.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6499 on: February 20, 2025, 12:20:23 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 19, 2025, 06:51:04 PM
Vaccines weren't that controversial. Until it was a Trumpublican talking point. If Trump had gotten up there and been vaccinated on stage and crowed about how awesome it was and we're gonna beat this goddamn thing - 90% of Trumpublicans would have gotten on board. Ukraine - if Trump got up there and said "Fuck the Russians" he probably could have gotten actual on the ground troops over there (it wouldn't have been a good idea but just sayin).

Trump is either
1) Completely Stupid
2) A master of sleight of hand and deception
3) An actual manchurian candidate

or a combo

In 2019, I would have said "slightly stupid". I don't like slightly stupid but Trump's first term only slightly annoyed me - I probably thought it was less bad than GWB's first term. But man, this is some solidly fuckistan kind of stuff now.

A lot of truth here, and I hate that I have to agree with the last part. Dubya was a disastrous president, but didn’t do it with the same amount of crazy Trump does.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6500 on: February 20, 2025, 12:21:38 PM »
All of this is mostly Reagan’s fault btw. He left the door ajar for everything that followed.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6501 on: February 20, 2025, 01:51:06 PM »
Quote from: Billy Jack on February 20, 2025, 12:20:23 PM
A lot of truth here, and I hate that I have to agree with the last part. Dubya was a disastrous president, but didn’t do it with the same amount of crazy Trump does.

Iraq War supercedes whatever happened 2017-2020
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6502 on: February 20, 2025, 01:55:07 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 20, 2025, 01:51:06 PM
Iraq War supercedes whatever happened 2017-2020

The Iraqis get to vote for whoever they want to vote for now. So there is that.  Plus, we now know the Muslim sects hate each other more than they hate everyone else. I call that a win.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6503 on: February 20, 2025, 02:01:12 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 20, 2025, 01:55:07 PM
The Iraqis get to vote for whoever they want to vote for now. So there is that.  Plus, we now know the Muslim sects hate each other more than they hate everyone else. I call that a win.

Just as I said, you are a neoconservative.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6504 on: February 20, 2025, 02:07:38 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 20, 2025, 01:55:07 PM
The Iraqis get to vote for whoever they want to vote for now. So there is that.  Plus, we now know the Muslim sects hate each other more than they hate everyone else. I call that a win.

At a cost orders of magnitude more than the pittance we'd need to put the kaibosh on Putin's trip to Ukraine, and including a bunch of dead soldiers. And whomever they're voting for, the country is still unstable and a haven for terrorists. Say what you might about Saddam, he made the trains run on time.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6505 on: February 20, 2025, 02:30:58 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 20, 2025, 02:07:38 PM
At a cost orders of magnitude more than the pittance we'd need to put the kaibosh on Putin's trip to Ukraine, and including a bunch of dead soldiers. And whomever they're voting for, the country is still unstable and a haven for terrorists. Say what you might about Saddam, he made the trains run on time.

Has nada to do with Putin.

Of course the rest is easy for you to say from your safe suburban home
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6506 on: February 20, 2025, 02:36:18 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 20, 2025, 02:30:58 PM
Has nada to do with Putin.

Of course the rest is easy for you to say from your safe suburban home

Democracy at the point of a gun isn’t real democracy. You think Iraq is a high functioning democracy? It cost us US lives and 2 trillions dollars. For what? So Dubya could crow over owning Saddam’s pistol?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6507 on: February 20, 2025, 02:40:34 PM »
Quote from: Billy Jack on February 20, 2025, 02:36:18 PM
Democracy at the point of a gun isn’t real democracy. You think Iraq is a high functioning democracy? It cost us US lives and 2 trillions dollars. For what? So Dubya could crow over owning Saddam’s pistol?

LOL . Is the US a "high functioning democracy"? What does that even mean?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6508 on: February 20, 2025, 02:42:25 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 20, 2025, 02:40:34 PM
LOL . Is the US a "high functioning democracy"? What does that even mean?

Now? No, not really. But built this ourselves. It wasn’t thrust upon us.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #6509 on: February 20, 2025, 02:42:58 PM »
Do I really have to explain what a “high functioning democracy” is?
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