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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5085 on: February 11, 2023, 08:49:17 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 11, 2023, 08:30:39 AM
Thanks Trump!

Sorry, not sorry about the the snowflakes like Kyrie Irving. Maybe the Chinese vaccine works better? Oops.
From the study co-authored by Fauci ....
"none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines."
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5086 on: February 11, 2023, 08:53:07 AM »
Quote from: Mn on February 11, 2023, 08:49:17 AM
From the study co-authored by Fauci ....
"none of the predominantly mucosal respiratory viruses have ever been effectively controlled by vaccines."

Ok. Are you saying the vax is a placebo?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5087 on: February 11, 2023, 09:05:37 AM »
Mn, Alum, thoughts on this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/health/covid-drug-eiger-interferon.html

A new drug quashes all coronavirus variants. But regulatory hurdles and a lack of funding make it unlikely to reach the U.S. market anytime soon.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5088 on: February 11, 2023, 09:05:51 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 11, 2023, 08:53:07 AM
Ok. Are you saying the vax is a placebo?
Not at all.
The vaccines may help to reduce the chance for hospitalization and death, especially among those with co-morbidities.
For Fauci to co-author a statement that mucosal respiratory viruses have never been effectively controlled by vaccines after saying the Covid vaccines prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death is damning.
The guy's been doing virology and epidemiology for 40+ years.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5089 on: February 11, 2023, 09:10:11 AM »
Quote from: Mn on February 11, 2023, 09:05:51 AM
Not at all.
The vaccines may help to reduce the chance for hospitalization and death, especially among those with co-morbidities.
For Fauci to co-author a statement that mucosal respiratory viruses have never been effectively controlled by vaccines after saying the Covid vaccines prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death is damning.
The guy's been doing virology and epidemiology for 40+ years.

He's in Daszak's pocket.

But apparently there is a drug out there that looks promising per the Failing NY Times.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5090 on: February 11, 2023, 09:12:15 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 11, 2023, 09:05:37 AM
Mn, Alum, thoughts on this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/health/covid-drug-eiger-interferon.html

A new drug quashes all coronavirus variants. But regulatory hurdles and a lack of funding make it unlikely to reach the U.S. market anytime soon.
It's paywalled, but is this a preventative option or a treatment option ?
Exploring options will continue, but transparency better be part of it. No more 'you can't see our data for 75 years.'
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5091 on: February 11, 2023, 09:34:51 AM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5092 on: February 11, 2023, 01:17:52 PM »
Quote from: Mn on February 11, 2023, 09:05:51 AM
Not at all.
The vaccines may help to reduce the chance for hospitalization and death, especially among those with co-morbidities.
For Fauci to co-author a statement that mucosal respiratory viruses have never been effectively controlled by vaccines after saying the Covid vaccines prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death is damning.
The guy's been doing virology and epidemiology for 40+ years.

Are you saying that 'prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death" =  effectively controlled.

We do know that vaccines have been effective in controlling a number of viral diseases: smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, hib, rotavirus, polio, and so on.

We already knew respiratory viruses have resisted control by vaccines. This is not a new observation or shocking revelation.

The annual flu shots have been beneficial. They have,  in the words of the article, been less than optimal. However, they do  prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death. The same is true of the Covid shots.

The news is the increased understanding of why we don't develop a natural immunity to mucosal respiratory viruses, and possible new approaches to developing next generation vaccines.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5093 on: February 11, 2023, 02:16:36 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 11, 2023, 01:17:52 PM
Are you saying that 'prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death" =  effectively controlled.

We do know that vaccines have been effective in controlling a number of viral diseases: smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, hib, rotavirus, polio, and so on.

We already knew respiratory viruses have resisted control by vaccines. This is not a new observation or shocking revelation.

The annual flu shots have been beneficial. They have,  in the words of the article, been less than optimal. However, they do  prevent infection, transmission, hospitalization and death. The same is true of the Covid shots.

The news is the increased understanding of why we don't develop a natural immunity to mucosal respiratory viruses, and possible new approaches to developing next generation vaccines.
The flu shot may help to reduce infection etc. They don't prevent infection etc.
The flu shot is not mandated.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5094 on: February 11, 2023, 03:45:28 PM »
Quote from: Mn on February 11, 2023, 02:16:36 PM
The flu shot may help to reduce infection etc. They don't prevent infection etc.
The flu shot is not mandated.

Now we are just arguing the meaning of prevent versus reduce. If fewer people got the flu, it prevented it for them.

The Covid shot and boosters were not mandated for me. I got them anyway.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5095 on: February 11, 2023, 04:33:23 PM »
Ray is missing the point. We weren’t told the truth.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5096 on: February 11, 2023, 04:50:08 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 11, 2023, 04:33:23 PM
Ray is missing the point. We weren’t told the truth.

You weren't paying attention and cherry-picked stuff to confirm your right-wing talking points.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5097 on: February 11, 2023, 05:09:58 PM »
I don’t belong to a wing. Politics are a joke. I call each issue as I see it rather than be entrained into identity politics like pretty much everyone else.

They (the manufacturers, media, and the government all the way up to the president) oversold the benefits and capabilities of the vaccine. Capabilities that scientists have known for decades were impossible to achieve against this type of pathogen without some sort of radical new technology. But carry on, leftist propaganda bot. The meme I posted earlier is literally you and Ray.

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« Reply #5098 on: February 11, 2023, 05:30:41 PM »
And now I will add that this should have nothing to do with left wing vs right wing.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5099 on: February 11, 2023, 05:31:11 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 11, 2023, 04:33:23 PM
Ray is missing the point. We weren’t told the truth.

Maybe you weren't. I was.
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