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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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alum74

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2325 on: June 09, 2021, 02:05:32 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 09, 2021, 12:56:43 PM
There is no shortage of science worshippers who don’t understand the scientific method either

Unfortunately much of the so-called science worship is due to the growing number of conspiracy theories floating around, outright science denial and relentless attacks on the scientific community.  Some people feel like they have to choose sides, and social media helps fan the flames.

There are certainly people who put too high a value on natural science in comparison with other branches of learning or culture.  They don’t understand that science is a process and that scientists can be flip-floppers, which is a good thing. 

Science faces a number of problems.  We should be working to make sure it is used in an accurate and productive manner.  Conspiracy theories have no role in that process. 

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2326 on: June 09, 2021, 02:47:32 PM »
Quote from: Mn on June 09, 2021, 10:02:22 AM
From the CDC re demographics and mortality and censusreporter re demographics.
Pelosi's district is 32% Asian and 22% Hispanic.
McCarthy's district is 5% Asian and 41% Hispanic
I don't believe I implied that it had nothing to do with leadership. Hispanics, blacks, the aged, the obese and diabetics have elevated mortality risk factors.
Or are you just pissed that McCarthy said Fauci needs to go ?







Your summary. They died because they were mexicans.

Your risk factors concept is bullshit. Vaccination rates don't have anything to do with obesity. Vaccination rates are positively correlated with mask wearing, distancing, etc...

And no matter the other factors, you can't die of COVID if you aren't infected with COVID - the case rates are substantially higher in Kern than any Bay Area county
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2327 on: June 09, 2021, 04:41:09 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 09, 2021, 09:54:01 AM

Science is always subject to question.

Science is rarely effectively questioned by people who have no in-depth knowledge of the subject matter, certainly not by political hacks or conspiracy theory snake oil salesmen.

You have to have a basis for questioning science, and Facebook memes, articles from Breitbart, and stuff Alex Jones says are not sufficient basis.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2328 on: June 10, 2021, 08:40:31 AM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on June 09, 2021, 02:47:32 PM
Your summary. They died because they were mexicans.

Your risk factors concept is bullshit. Vaccination rates don't have anything to do with obesity. Vaccination rates are positively correlated with mask wearing, distancing, etc...

And no matter the other factors, you can't die of COVID if you aren't infected with COVID - the case rates are substantially higher in Kern than any Bay Area county
Surprisingly, none of these mention U.S. Congressional representative as being a factor.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/health-equity/race-ethnicity.html

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33227595/

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2775732

Using March 15 as 2 weeks past the 2nd vaccine dose, roughly 90% of U.S. mortality was prior to vaccines being relatively readily available.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2329 on: June 10, 2021, 12:02:52 PM »
Delta Variant May Be More Severe

“The coronavirus variant driving India’s devastating Covid-19 second wave is the most infectious to emerge so far.  Doctors now want to know if it’s also more severe.”

“Hearing impairment, severe gastric upsets and blood clots leading to gangrene, symptoms not typically seen in Covid patients, have been linked by doctors in India to the so-called delta variant. In England and Scotland, early evidence suggests the strain — which is also now dominant there — carries a higher risk of hospitalization.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-07/gangrene-hearing-loss-point-to-delta-variant-being-more-severe?sref=nXmOg68r

India’s Covid-19 death tally surged by a record 6,148 fatalities yesterday.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-10/india-s-bihar-state-nearly-doubles-covid-death-toll-to-9-429?srnd=premium&sref=nXmOg68r

Quite a tragedy.   

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2330 on: June 10, 2021, 12:40:02 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 10, 2021, 12:02:52 PM
Delta Variant May Be More Severe

“The coronavirus variant driving India’s devastating Covid-19 second wave is the most infectious to emerge so far.  Doctors now want to know if it’s also more severe.”

“Hearing impairment, severe gastric upsets and blood clots leading to gangrene, symptoms not typically seen in Covid patients, have been linked by doctors in India to the so-called delta variant. In England and Scotland, early evidence suggests the strain — which is also now dominant there — carries a higher risk of hospitalization.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-07/gangrene-hearing-loss-point-to-delta-variant-being-more-severe?sref=nXmOg68r

India’s Covid-19 death tally surged by a record 6,148 fatalities yesterday.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-10/india-s-bihar-state-nearly-doubles-covid-death-toll-to-9-429?srnd=premium&sref=nXmOg68r

Quite a tragedy.

It's just the flu, though.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2331 on: June 10, 2021, 02:49:52 PM »
Please let this be the one.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2332 on: June 10, 2021, 04:24:59 PM »
We have like 200 million J&J vaccines that are going to expire because nobody wants them. Send them to India!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2333 on: June 10, 2021, 04:29:15 PM »
J&J is pretty good on variants, iirc.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2334 on: June 10, 2021, 11:57:50 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2335 on: June 11, 2021, 12:26:21 AM »
It's also a side effect of not getting vaccinated.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2336 on: June 11, 2021, 01:04:25 AM »
Quote from: fucking on June 11, 2021, 12:26:21 AM
It's also a side effect of not getting vaccinated.

Another case where I'm not sure he actually read the whole article.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2337 on: June 11, 2021, 10:20:01 AM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2338 on: June 11, 2021, 10:35:25 AM »
I saw this yesterday. The ship left last Sat. Everybody needed a negative test within 72 hours before departure. Requirements were a negative 72 hours before return. So it looks like a 7 day cruise, in which somebody developed a sufficient viral load after testing negative pre-cruise.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #2339 on: June 11, 2021, 10:49:05 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on June 11, 2021, 10:20:01 AM
https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/2-passengers-on-first-100-vaccinated-north-american-cruise-test-positive-for-covid-19/

2 passengers on first 100% vaccinated North American cruise test positive for COVID-19

Why anyone would go on a cruise PRE-COVID always baffled me.
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