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ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS

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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2026, 11:10:04 AM »
It can't be officially licensed. That logo died with the chief. There is no license.

Illinois sure as hell can't hold the license.


They did in 1987… just wondering what happens from there…

Can 47 ship hats with the Washington Redskins logo?

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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2026, 11:17:58 AM »

They did in 1987… just wondering what happens from there…

Can 47 ship hats with the Washington Redskins logo?

Probably. But again, it can't be official NFL merch.

I can make anything I want and ship it and get money for it. Doesn't mean it's a licensed product.
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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2026, 11:42:48 AM »
I’m just curious about the legality - if the University owned the trademark and doesn’t want it out there, how does 47 get a “license” to use it. IANAL - I don’t quite parse PAMans response, just wondering how it works.

Based on what he said - maybe that’s why NFL teams occasionally do “throwbacks”

TL;DR: If you do not continue to use it, and defend it from others, you lose it and someone else can take it and then use it  So they have to keep licensing The Chief, even if on the lowdown, or else Custard can steal it.
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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2026, 11:50:18 AM »
You should gave just asked me, Murph....

Short answer: they don’t really “use” the Chief as a symbol anymore—but they **still license it in a limited way mainly to keep control of it**.

Here’s the fuller explanation:

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## 1) It’s about **trademark ownership and control**

The University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign still **owns the Chief Illiniwek logo as a trademark**, even though the mascot was retired in 2007.

* If they completely stopped using or licensing it, they could risk **losing legal control of the trademark**.
* By continuing **limited licensing**, they show ongoing ownership and prevent outside groups from claiming or freely using it. ([Justia Law][1])

This is a common strategy with “retired” logos.

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## 2) Preventing unauthorized or unwanted use

The university has explicitly said it wants to **“protect” the logo from infringement**. ([Illinois News Bureau][2])

That matters because:

* There have been disputes with outside groups trying to use or register the logo themselves. ([ICT][3])
* Without control, the image could be used in ways the university **can’t regulate at all**.

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## 3) Limited “vintage” or archival licensing

After banning regular production in 2007, Illinois later allowed **restricted sales through legacy programs** (like “College Vault” collections). ([Print & Promo Marketing][4])

So today:

* It’s **not an official symbol**, mascot, or branding element
* But it may appear on **select, controlled merchandise** as a historical logo

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## 4) Some revenue—but that’s not the main driver

Historically, the logo generated money through merchandise licensing. ([ESPN.com][5])

But more recent reporting suggests:

* Revenue from Chief items is **relatively small**
* The bigger reason is **legal protection, not profit**

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## 5) The NCAA context (why it was retired but not erased)

The Chief was retired after the NCAA ruled certain Native American imagery “hostile and abusive,” which would have hurt Illinois athletics. ([Will Illinois][6])

So the university had to:

* **Stop using it publicly in athletics**
* But didn’t have to **give up ownership of the logo**

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## Bottom line

The University of Illinois keeps licensing the retired Chief logo mostly to:

* **Maintain trademark rights**
* **Control how (and if) it’s used**
* **Prevent others from exploiting it**
* Allow limited **historical/vintage merchandise**

Not because they’re trying to bring it back as an official symbol.

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If you want, I can break down how other schools handle retired or controversial mascots—Illinois isn’t the only one in this situation.

[1]: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/illinois/ilndce/1%3A2021cv06546/409517/134/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "The Board of Trustees of The University of Illinois v Vintage Brand LLC, No. 1:2021cv06546 - Document 134 (N.D. Ill. 2023) :: Justia"
[2]: https://news.illinois.edu/ui-retains-trademark-rights-to-chief-illiniwek-imagery/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "UI retains trademark rights to Chief Illiniwek imagery – News Bureau"
[3]: https://ictnews.org/archive/university-of-illinois-reaches-deal-in-chief-illiniwek-trademark-dispute/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "University of Illinois Reaches Deal in “Chief Illiniwek” Trademark Dispute"
[4]: https://printandpromomarketing.com/article/professor-upset-university-illinois-chief-illiniwek-merchandise/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Professor Upset by University of Illinois 'Chief Illiniwek' Merchandise - Print & Promo Marketing"
[5]: https://www.espn.com/college-sports/news/story?id=2827761&utm_source=chatgpt.com "Designer of Illinois' Illiniwek logo wants it back - ESPN"
[6]: https://will.illinois.edu/chief-illiniwek-understanding-the-issues?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Chief Illiniwek: Understanding the Issues | am | Illinois Public Media"
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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2026, 01:49:23 PM »
Good overview, Hal.  Are you responsible for the rapid growth of data centers? Is there a way to reduce energy and water use in your AI operations?

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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2026, 02:08:25 PM »
Good overview, Hal.  Are you responsible for the rapid growth of data centers? Is there a way to reduce energy and water use in your AI operations?

Hal did call The Chief a "mascot" rather than a "symbol," though....
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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2026, 03:38:54 PM »
Hal did call The Chief a "mascot" rather than a "symbol," though....

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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2026, 11:25:10 PM »
Thanks Hal! Glad I’m not wearing illegal contraband around. I got that hat last fall and it’s been lots of places already. Wonder how many incel professors I triggered in Cali and Hawaii? Lots of hot chicks were hollering at me Saturday night in my Illini gear in Nashville, but in a good way
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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2026, 12:04:28 PM »
Thanks Hal! Glad I’m not wearing illegal contraband around. I got that hat last fall and it’s been lots of places already. Wonder how many incel professors I triggered in Cali and Hawaii? Lots of hot chicks were hollering at me Saturday night in my Illini gear in Nashville, but in a good way

I thought incels were anti feminist alt-right types that live in their mom's basement owning the libs on social media.
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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2026, 12:09:02 PM »
I thought incels were anti feminist alt-right types that live in their mom's basement owning the libs on social media.

That’s not an incel - that’s just Custard

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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2026, 01:01:35 PM »
I thought incels were anti feminist alt-right types that live in their mom's basement owning the libs on social media.

incels means involuntarily celibate

so could be from any political leaning, just gross disgusting woman hating men that never get laid apparently
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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #71 on: March 31, 2026, 11:23:41 PM »
incels means involuntarily celibate

so could be from any political leaning, just gross disgusting woman hating men that never get laid apparently

There are good incels on both sides
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Re: ILLINI VS IOWA - GAME THREAD - HOUSTON 3:00 Mtn Time - TBS
« Reply #72 on: April 01, 2026, 08:00:49 AM »
I'd like to watch this game again. Was in euphoria and pretty drunk by the time it ended. What a night.

I mainly remember us making several clutch baskets to finally go up about five midway thru second half then never looked back.