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No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!

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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1605 on: September 09, 2026, 02:40:45 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on September 09, 2026, 02:36:58 PM
PAMan: “Palestinians need to get the fuck out, this is our ancestral land (from 3,500 years ago)!”

Also PAMan: “Suck it Injun, this is America now; we won this land fair and square! ‘Murica!”

Yep. If you cannot hold it, you do not deserve to keep it.

We did not win America fair and square, we stole America fair and square.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1606 on: September 09, 2026, 02:42:23 PM »
But yet you literally cry about ancestral rights from 3500 years ago.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1607 on: September 09, 2026, 02:43:16 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on September 09, 2026, 02:38:44 PM
Just a few days ago…a few days ago you said Hamas had FULL support.

Sure looks like they are all starting to change their minds after seeing the Israelis are not letting up. Guess Bibi gets a "W" on that one?
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1608 on: September 09, 2026, 02:44:41 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on September 09, 2026, 02:42:23 PM
But yet you literally cry about ancestral rights from 3500 years ago.

Taking back what was theirs. Maybe the Palestinians should focus on casinos and mascots like the American First Peoples?
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1609 on: September 09, 2026, 02:45:40 PM »
Still waiting on an answer to the question on who they should be talking to. I know we are not going to get an answer, just DSA/Progressive Scum Deflection.

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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1610 on: September 09, 2026, 03:08:52 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 09, 2026, 02:43:16 PM
Sure looks like they are all starting to change their minds after seeing the Israelis are not letting up. Guess Bibi gets a "W" on that one?

“Full support,” as recently as last weekend.
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« Reply #1611 on: September 09, 2026, 03:10:02 PM »
Maybe even Monday.
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« Reply #1612 on: September 09, 2026, 03:13:12 PM »
What changed their opinions so abruptly? $1 hotdog Tuesdays at Beef Shack?
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« Reply #1613 on: September 09, 2026, 03:23:42 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on September 09, 2026, 03:10:02 PM
Maybe even Monday.

And a new poll just released. Granted, it was only of around 1,000 people.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1614 on: September 09, 2026, 03:25:30 PM »
Still no answer from Tempo. You would think it would be an easy question to answer given the drums Tempo has been beating on their behalf.....
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« Reply #1615 on: September 10, 2026, 01:03:36 PM »
If only someone had woken him up.

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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1616 on: September 10, 2026, 01:15:13 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on September 10, 2026, 01:03:36 PM
If only someone had woken him up.



There is no way in hell you read the actual article since you are intellectually lazy, so I will link to this synopsis. Josh Marshall is no Likud/Netanyahu fan.....

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/making-sense-of-that-big-story-saying-netanyahu-was-warned-about-oct-7

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So he went to MBZ, the leader of the UAE. He was highly concerned about an attack that could lead to more or less what has happened over the last three years: a catastrophic attack on Israel, followed by horrific retaliation against Hamas in Gaza and leading to a regional war. He told the intermediary to get the message to the Israelis. He did that at the security and defense level. But the warnings were fairly vague and not much happened in response to the warnings. Netanyahu was briefed on the message and the meetings, as would be the norm.

A key backdrop to all of this is that Israel did not take Hamas seriously as a military threat. They took Hezbollah very seriously, as a de facto state/army. Hamas was different, basically a terrorist threat which could fire off homemade rockets and mount terrorist attacks, but not a true military threat. So I think it’s fair to say that when they heard Hamas was warning of something big they simply didn’t believe the scale they were later able to pull off. They apparently decided that Hamas would try to get possession of Israeli academic Elizabeth Tsurkov who had been kidnapped in Iraq and was being held hostage there. (She was eventually released in September 2025.) In any case, MBZ didn’t get the reaction he wanted. But he was also afraid that a more specific warning to the Israelis might prompt a massive preemptive attack on Hamas in Gaza. He wanted to know more. So he sent the intermediary back to find more details and to talk to Sinwar.

The intermediary talked again to Sinwar who gave a more direct and grave message. The intermediary and then MBZ got the message that some sort of catastrophic attack was planned. So MBZ made the decision to talk to Netanyahu directly. He conveyed all this in a 45 minute call between the two men. The kicker here is that Netanyahu did not brief any of his security or defense officials on this outreach. Of course they’d already gotten a version of the message. But the direct contact from a the leader of the UAE obviously showed a different level of urgency and gravity. The argument, and it’s a pretty good one, is that if Netanyahu had briefed the heads of Mossad, the Shin Bet and the IDF about this call they would have taken more aggressive protective measures.

To cite just one example, in the hours just before the October 7 attack, Israel saw something was happening in Gaza. Security officials met to evaluate it and they decided it was likely a drill and not to mobilize. Of course, it was not a drill. It was the beginning mobilization for the attack. These are all what ifs of course. But it does not seem implausible that if Netanyahu had briefed these officials on this warning that that conclusion arrived at in those overnight meetings might have been different and Israel could have had some level of military response in place when the attack started.

There is far more, like Hamas thinking the attack would just bring the Israelis to the bargaining table. Oops.

Looking at Pearl Harbor-level stuff where no one apparently comprehended what they were actually seeing. The rest is history and worked out for Hamas like it worked out for Japan.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1617 on: September 10, 2026, 02:09:23 PM »
Nice deflection.
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« Reply #1618 on: September 10, 2026, 02:21:15 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on September 10, 2026, 02:09:23 PM
Nice deflection.

LOL. Yeah, explaining what happened and why is deflection only in your Imaginary Socialist World.

By the way, still waiting on who they should talk peace with......Not that we will ever get an answer.....
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« Reply #1619 on: September 10, 2026, 04:20:36 PM »
https://newrepublic.com/post/215288/navy-secretary-admits-iran-blew-hell-us-base

Navy Secretary Casually Admits Iran “Blew the Hell” out of U.S. Base
The acting Navy secretary says Iran has in fact done quite a bit of damage.

Acting Navy Secretary Hung Cao reportedly admitted that the Iranian military “blew the hell” out of the U.S. naval base in Bahrain—a shocking claim that contradicts the Trump administration’s narrative of total destruction of Iran’s attack capabilities.

While the damage to the U.S. Fifth Fleet headquarters at Naval Support Activity Bahrain in a February 28 drone attack has been well documented, Cao’s Thursday comment to a reporter at the conservative outlet The Epoch Times is perhaps the most vivid, sober analysis of the situation from an individual of his ranking.

Cao also told The Epoch Times’ Ryan Morgan that Iran’s attack left American forces unable to “pull in” the USS Abraham Lincoln, the aircraft carrier that was at sea for months and ravaged by reports of poor conditions and low morale.

“This is a pretty stunning admission by the Acting Navy Secretary Hung Cao, whose nomination is hung up in Congress, about how Iranian forces ‘blew the hell out of (U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet base in) Bahrain,’” Fox News’s Jennifer Griffin wrote. “Haven’t heard a senior U.S. official admit this on the record until now.”

Others noted the Iranian military capacity does not seem to be as depleted as Trump claims.

“A clear and particularly stark pattern we see in the war with Iran is that the Iranians are inflicting tremendous STRATEGIC damage with their missiles, but that the USG denies this at first and only admits it weeks, if not months, later. This creates a PROLONGED false impression that the war is going much better than it actually is and that strategic setbacks are not taking place at all,” wrote Trita Parsi of the Quincy Institute. “The media narrative was that Tehran was utterly failing. In reality, Tehran was showcasing capabilities that the official Western narrative ensured were underestimated.”

When asked about any plans to return to the U.S. base in Bahrain, Cao told the Times, “I have a task force that’s looking at that.” That’s not what you want to hear in an expensive war that’s going very poorly.

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