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No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!

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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1170 on: June 16, 2026, 10:38:43 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 16, 2026, 10:16:25 AM
This about sums it up: 
https://www.persuasion.community/p/the-art-of-the-non-deal?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Sums up a TDS jerk off session. Also probably Iranian backed propaganda.

Basically the same stupid reductionist murph thinking. Strait used to be open! We incinerated 100 billion! Sucking Iran’s cock!

Completely fails to mention the destruction of Iran’s offensive military power, nuclear talks on the table, etc.
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« Reply #1171 on: June 16, 2026, 10:45:21 AM »
Here’s actual information that isn’t from the Iranian regime that the HQ2 left so dearly loves;

https://x.com/iranidaturan/status/2066724766849831198?s=46
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #1172 on: June 16, 2026, 11:44:40 AM »
Quote from: Custard on June 16, 2026, 10:12:59 AM
$300 billion from GULF STATES, not USA, to rebuild under US guidelines and conditions. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Gulf states they bombed. Does not seem like a pretty good deal to me. Sounds like blackmail.
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« Reply #1173 on: June 16, 2026, 11:48:39 AM »
Quote from: Custard on June 16, 2026, 10:11:29 AM
They fired thousands of missiles early on and have only fired a few dozen in the last month and a half. Their military systems are massively degraded.

What do we Americans need from the strait of Hormuz again? Iran’s FRIENDS get their oil from the Strait, not us. If they want to shut China off, let em.

Yet, Trump claimed he prevented a barrage of missiles from being lobbed just this weekend. We also apparently have "friends" who have to get their ships through the Straits too.

If they have no missiles or ability to strike, why are we settling for paying THEM off, allowing them to charge "fees" to go through the Straits, and kicking the nuclear discussion down the road (which they will not agree to)?  Why aren't they paying us to stop?

Sounds like someone else is calling the shots here and it is not Tempo's Boogeyman.
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« Reply #1174 on: June 16, 2026, 11:51:16 AM »
Quote from: Custard on June 16, 2026, 10:38:43 AM
Sums up a TDS jerk off session. Also probably Iranian backed propaganda.

Basically the same stupid reductionist murph thinking. Strait used to be open! We incinerated 100 billion! Sucking Iran’s cock!

Completely fails to mention the destruction of Iran’s offensive military power, nuclear talks on the table, etc.

Nuclear talks on the table....LOL. The CIA, Lil Marco, and JD Vance do not even believe that shit.
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« Reply #1175 on: June 16, 2026, 11:53:04 AM »
Quote from: Custard on June 16, 2026, 10:45:21 AM
Here’s actual information that isn’t from the Iranian regime that the HQ2 left so dearly loves;

https://x.com/iranidaturan/status/2066724766849831198?s=46

The problem is Trump has lied so often about the settlement terms it is tough to believe him when it comes to what is in the actual agreement until anyone actually sees it. 
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« Reply #1176 on: June 16, 2026, 01:06:46 PM »
Quote from: Custard on June 16, 2026, 10:38:43 AM
Sums up a TDS jerk off session. Also probably Iranian backed propaganda.

Basically the same stupid reductionist murph thinking. Strait used to be open! We incinerated 100 billion! Sucking Iran’s cock!

Completely fails to mention the destruction of Iran’s offensive military power, nuclear talks on the table, etc.

So “obliterating” Iran’s offensive military capacity has basically brought Iran and the U.S. back to their respective positions that they were in before the war, because Iran still has its nuclear capabilities with no guarantee that it won't build weapons, just a promise to talk about it. 
 
One of the more most shameful things to watch was a regional foreign power forcing the hand of a sitting U.S. President and putting the latter in a bind that prompted him to moves devoid of proper strategy and purpose for his own country.  The U.S. has been disgraced and its top leaders let it happen. 

Possibly the only good thing coming out of this stupid excursion is that Bibi may have finally run out of the patience of the Israeli voters. 

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« Reply #1177 on: June 16, 2026, 04:47:28 PM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1178 on: June 16, 2026, 04:56:27 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on June 16, 2026, 01:06:46 PM
So “obliterating” Iran’s offensive military capacity has basically brought Iran and the U.S. back to their respective positions that they were in before the war, because Iran still has its nuclear capabilities with no guarantee that it won't build weapons, just a promise to talk about it. 
 
One of the more most shameful things to watch was a regional foreign power forcing the hand of a sitting U.S. President and putting the latter in a bind that prompted him to moves devoid of proper strategy and purpose for his own country.  The U.S. has been disgraced and its top leaders let it happen. 

Possibly the only good thing coming out of this stupid excursion is that Bibi may have finally run out of the patience of the Israeli voters.

Keep in mind, he re-obliterated the nuclear capabilities he obliterated for a generation a few months earlier.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1179 on: June 16, 2026, 05:12:41 PM »
"The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. "

Guess we did not get anything out of this deal that we already had.....

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/read-leaked-alleged-text-of-trump-iran-deal/
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1. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.

2. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.

3. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.

4. Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States Lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.

5. Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.

6. The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, While ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.

7. The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.

8. The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.

9. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.

10. The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.

11. The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.

12. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.

13. Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.

14. The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.
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« Reply #1180 on: June 16, 2026, 05:42:38 PM »
Seems like we could have gotten more since we kicked their ass in every conceivable way.
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« Reply #1181 on: June 16, 2026, 06:04:44 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on June 16, 2026, 05:42:38 PM
Seems like we could have gotten more since we kicked their ass in every conceivable way.

"Could" or "should"?  Since they are now, as we have been told, defenseless militarily.
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« Reply #1182 on: Today at 12:06:13 AM »
Quote from: Reacher on June 16, 2026, 05:42:38 PM
Seems like we could have gotten more since we kicked their ass in every conceivable way.

What do you want? Occupation?
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« Reply #1183 on: Today at 12:06:51 AM »
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They spent weeks screaming that Trump’s foreign policy was a chaotic disaster. Iran was messy. Ukraine was stuck. Tariffs were unpopular. NATO was mad. Therefore it must be a failure. That’s the entire depth of their analysis.

Meanwhile China and every parasite attached to it got their asses kicked across the map.

Iran went from China’s oil lifeline and regional enforcer to a broke, inflation-ravaged paper tiger getting blockaded into submission with zero American troops on the ground. Venezuela’s Maduro is gone and China’s cheap oil spigot got shut off.

Cuba is starving and already crawling toward negotiations. Xi’s own sister was caught flipping discounted Venezuelan crude inside China and that little family hustle just died with the regime.

Russia rolled into Beijing acting like it still mattered. It left as a depleted, bankrupt junior partner that torched $750 billion and half a million men for nothing while Ukraine takes territory back.

Europe, which spent years hiding behind American protection, is finally being dragged into reality because Trump called them out as the freeloaders they are.

And China itself? Demographic implosion, foreign investment in freefall, property sector collapsing, and over 70% of its generals purged while its top military commander vanished without a trace. Xi can’t even trust his own army anymore and Taiwan is suddenly looking a lot harder to swallow.

But the media clowns are still out here pretending the real story is that Trump looked undignified on cable news. They’re not stupid enough to miss this. They’re just lying because admitting that China is losing ground on every front that actually matters would destroy the “Trump is a bumbling failure” narrative they’ve been running for years.

They’re not grading foreign policy. They’re protecting a story. And the scoreboard doesn’t give a damn about their feelings.

https://x.com/floppingaces/status/2066886001289826434?s=46
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« Reply #1184 on: Today at 12:15:33 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 16, 2026, 11:48:39 AM
Yet, Trump claimed he prevented a barrage of missiles from being lobbed just this weekend. We also apparently have "friends" who have to get their ships through the Straits too.

If they have no missiles or ability to strike, why are we settling for paying THEM off, allowing them to charge "fees" to go through the Straits, and kicking the nuclear discussion down the road (which they will not agree to)?  Why aren't they paying us to stop?

Sounds like someone else is calling the shots here and it is not Tempo's Boogeyman.

It’s not a payoff, it’s an offer to rebuild their country with our allies money if they abide by our rules and stipulations.

There are 60 days to negotiate these things, none of this is a done deal, so I’m not sure why people are acting like this is the end point of it. They can flail anway and shoot a couple weak missiles off here and there if they want, but the fact of the matter is they’re pretty much helpless at this point.

Short of invading and occupying the country I’m not sure what more can be done. The only leverage they have is the strait and the upcoming midterms. Blocking their own primary export channel isn’t something they can sustain forever. The America Last progressives desperately want this to be an utter failure specifically for the midterms, which is why the media keeps portraying it as such. Not that hard to figure out.

But Trump knows this and gas will be cheap and the market through the roof (still) by then. So Democrats will have to find other ways to sabotage all the good that’s being done.
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