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No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!

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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #780 on: April 09, 2026, 02:26:17 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 10:51:27 AM
And Trump isn’t that clever. Although he’s very good at running scams. It’s his one area of genius.

He is clever at marketing campaigns. Make America Great Again. America First. The Failing New York Times. The Fake News. The Russia Hoax. Biden's Open Border Policies. The violent illegal immigrants from shithole countries.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #781 on: April 09, 2026, 02:35:09 PM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on April 09, 2026, 10:54:44 AM
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You’ll do anything to avoid an actual debate, won’t you.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #782 on: April 09, 2026, 02:36:31 PM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on April 09, 2026, 10:54:44 AM
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Did you even watch the video, dimwit? Or just check the origin, like always.
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« Reply #783 on: April 09, 2026, 02:37:18 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 09, 2026, 11:51:13 AM
While we can can quibble over semantics and I am sure you probably will, that is pretty much a core MAGA position.

Exactly. Custard would lap that up with a spoon and sour dough.
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« Reply #784 on: April 09, 2026, 02:38:16 PM »
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« Reply #785 on: April 09, 2026, 02:39:19 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 09, 2026, 12:55:13 PM
You guys were the ones saying that this was a war of whim with no plan and no strategy and no clear objectives, despite the WH publishing the strategy and objectives. A guy like Victor Davis Hanson who has been studying American foreign wars for over 50 years giving detailed daily breakdowns on the why and how. Military experts posting videos to socials and YouTube daily breaking down strategy and the machines and how they were being used. When I pointed this out, I was told my sources suck.

All this to say that I’m glad you’re coming around to the idea that there was a plan. A lot goes into something like this, it isn’t just Trump waving a magic wand out of nowhere and making a large scale military operation happen on the spot.

At no point did I say I was coming around to the idea of a plan. There are definite “holes” in this theory.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #786 on: April 09, 2026, 02:40:38 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on April 09, 2026, 01:50:16 PM
Victor Davis Hanson is a neocon and Trump fluffer who was a staunch supporter for the 2003 Iraq invasion and holds interventionist foreign policy views.   

The stakes are never higher and there's nothing worse for a country or leader than going to war incompetently.  Iran has shown it can create challenges for the global economic system and force various parties to adjust.  Even though the U.S. holds overwhelming military power, it has accepted a two-week pause under conditions it cannot fully dictate. 

And what did Trump achieve? 

Regime change?  - Iran’s regime is now strengthened.
Capture/destroy their uranium? - We've basically given up on that.
Destroy their military? - Some of it yes, but they had enough to bomb other Gulf Petrostates, Israel, and U.S. military targets.

Iran now controls the Strait of Hormuz, and nothing we do short of boots on the ground is going to change that fact.  Perhaps Hanson and you can lead the first wave to take the Strait.  ALL GLORY TO GOD!!!

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« Reply #787 on: April 09, 2026, 02:41:06 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 09, 2026, 02:26:17 PM
He is clever at marketing campaigns. Make America Great Again. America First. The Failing New York Times. The Fake News. The Russia Hoax. Biden's Open Border Policies. The violent illegal immigrants from shithole countries.
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« Reply #788 on: April 09, 2026, 02:44:20 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 02:41:06 PM
True.

Anyone else tried that shit; they would have been dismissed as a far right wing extremist. 
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #789 on: April 09, 2026, 03:24:46 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on April 09, 2026, 01:50:16 PM
Victor Davis Hanson is a neocon and Trump fluffer who was a staunch supporter for the 2003 Iraq invasion and holds interventionist foreign policy views.   

The stakes are never higher and there's nothing worse for a country or leader than going to war incompetently.  Iran has shown it can create challenges for the global economic system and force various parties to adjust.  Even though the U.S. holds overwhelming military power, it has accepted a two-week pause under conditions it cannot fully dictate. 

And what did Trump achieve? 

Regime change?  - Iran’s regime is now strengthened.
Capture/destroy their uranium? - We've basically given up on that.
Destroy their military? - Some of it yes, but they had enough to bomb other Gulf Petrostates, Israel, and U.S. military targets.

Iran now controls the Strait of Hormuz, and nothing we do short of boots on the ground is going to change that fact.  Perhaps Hanson and you can lead the first wave to take the Strait.  ALL GLORY TO GOD!!!

They control it and are now going to charge tolls. Job well done, Trump! We would have been far better off if he napped through all this like Sleepy Joe would have.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #790 on: April 09, 2026, 03:26:52 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 02:35:09 PM
You’ll do anything to avoid an actual debate, won’t you.

Yes, we all need more Iranian/Soviet/Chinese bot videos to watch and Twotts to read. Man, you have been sucked in by troll farmers even more so than usual. 

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« Reply #791 on: April 09, 2026, 04:29:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 09, 2026, 03:26:52 PM
Yes, we all need more Iranian/Soviet/Chinese bot videos to watch and Twotts to read. Man, you have been sucked in by troll farmers even more so than usual.

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« Reply #792 on: April 09, 2026, 04:42:52 PM »
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« Reply #793 on: April 09, 2026, 04:50:14 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 04:29:39 PM
Forest. Trees.

I can tell there are fake trees in this forest....
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« Reply #794 on: April 09, 2026, 04:56:37 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 09, 2026, 02:40:38 PM
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Yep he totally nailed it.

Except the regime is objectively weakened and under increasing pressure, not strengthened.

We are still after their uranium as part of the deal

Their economy can’t function long term with the strait effectively closed and I’ll be shocked shitless if this “toll system” actually amounts to anything long term. Other places produce oil and can ramp up production and close whatever gap exists sooner than later.

Upwards of 90% of their military capacities are destroyed or severely degraded.  Leadership is fractured and in disarray. They’re tenuously holding onto power by false bravado and coercion versus actual popularity.

These points I’m making are verifiable and objective, not Alum and Tempo’s “gut emotional feelings” about what may be playing out.
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