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No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!

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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #480 on: March 25, 2026, 06:49:16 PM »
Just trying to figure out what Murph thinks he's saying there.

What I’m saying is that Trump seems to think his “threats” mean jack shit to the Iranians and this is misguided.

It’s a World War 2 mindset. The Germans were used to being a first world developed nation and when the war started to go to shit they all started thinking about how they get back to that state post Hitler. Same with Japan.

Iran is more like Vietnam or North Korea. There was no way to win in Vietnam or Korea because there was no spell to break. Iran will keep fighting, or monkey wrenching. There is no victory. 

See for example Iraq and Afghanistan 

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« Reply #481 on: March 25, 2026, 06:51:02 PM »
Murph keeps using this “they don’t give a fuck” line like it’s some kind of mic drop moment in the argument against the conflict. As if standing by and allowing people who already hate the West and Israel that don’t give a fuck to continue their nuclear ambitions with piles of oil money from China is a good idea.

China buys 80-90% of Iranian crude and they buy it at a discount because other countries have sanctioned Iran. China gets discounted oil, keeping their costs of production down, while funding this horrible fundamentalist nation.

I suppose shutting down the internet and cell phones, hanging people in the streets, and violently quelling any uprisings by killing thousands of protestors are pretty effective deterrents. Remember how mad everyone was here over Renee Good and Alex “Assault me motherfucker” Pretti? Murph and Tempo were calling for a domestic revolution over these knuckleheads who were killed in rather nuanced confrontations with law enforcement. Not a word about the folks being openly slaughtered by the Iranian leadership. Interesting, isn’t it?

I’ve come to notice that the left seems to always side with what’s good for China and bad for America these days. It’s not a concidence, it’s programming.

I can’t believe Tempo calls out Gregg for strawmen in a universe that contains this one.


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« Reply #482 on: March 25, 2026, 06:54:57 PM »
Murph keeps using this “they don’t give a fuck” line like it’s some kind of mic drop moment in the argument against the conflict. As if standing by and allowing people who already hate the West and Israel that don’t give a fuck to continue their nuclear ambitions with piles of oil money from China is a good idea.


You said “they can’t withstand this forever” and I say “sure they can, they don’t give a fuck”

That has nothing to do with China buying oil or the nonexistent nukes. It simply says your premise that we can easily win this conflict is bullshit

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« Reply #483 on: March 26, 2026, 06:20:54 AM »
Anyone who thinks Iran is an “easy win” doesn’t know shit about warfare or nation building.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #484 on: March 26, 2026, 07:20:32 AM »
Meanwhile, after supposedly rejecting any deal, and in the midst of a 48 hour push from Israel to eliminate what’s left of their arms industry, Iran tries to broker a peace meeting via Pakistan as soon as this weekend. They also sent a letter to the UN stating they’ll let non-hostile tankers through the strait. IACO

This isn’t Vietnam or Pakistan. We aren’t fucking around this time.
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« Reply #485 on: March 26, 2026, 07:45:17 AM »
Antony Blinken just went to Harvard and said he wished that the Biden administration had done more to put the stops on Iran's nuclear program but the politics of the 2022 midterms got in the way.

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« Reply #486 on: March 26, 2026, 10:38:46 AM »

AI: Yes, former U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken stated during a Harvard University forum on March 24, 2026, that the Biden administration's efforts to reach a new nuclear agreement with Iran were complicated by "politics," specifically referencing the 2022 midterm elections.

In conversation with The New York Times journalist David Sanger, Blinken stated: "I wish we had gotten there [to a deal]... We worked very hard on getting that longer and stronger agreement," but added, "I'll acknowledge, too, that sometimes politics gets in the way," acknowledging that midterm election considerations factored into the administration's timing.

Key details from his comments include:

-Political Constraints: When pressed about whether Biden had stalled on the deal until after the 2022 elections, Blinken indicated the administration was searching for the "right time".

-Iran's Role: Blinken added that apart from U.S. politics, Iran at times was not conceding enough to make the deal worthwhile, asserting "we actually kept the pressure on them".

-Regret over Missed Deal: Blinken expressed regret that a "longer and stronger" agreement was not secured, a goal the administration had often stated as its objective for a successor to the 2015 JCPOA.

These comments were part of a broader discussion regarding Iran policy. Blinken also noted during the talk that Iran has the "ability to leverage the Strait of Hormuz in ways that are profoundly disruptive," following recent military strikes by the U.S. and Israel.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #487 on: March 26, 2026, 10:44:34 AM »
Context again for the win
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« Reply #488 on: March 26, 2026, 11:50:37 AM »
AI: Yes, former U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken stated during a Harvard University forum on March 24, 2026, that the Biden administration's efforts to reach a new nuclear agreement with Iran were complicated by "politics," specifically referencing the 2022 midterm elections.

In conversation with The New York Times journalist David Sanger, Blinken stated: "I wish we had gotten there [to a deal]... We worked very hard on getting that longer and stronger agreement," but added, "I'll acknowledge, too, that sometimes politics gets in the way," acknowledging that midterm election considerations factored into the administration's timing.

Key details from his comments include:

-Political Constraints: When pressed about whether Biden had stalled on the deal until after the 2022 elections, Blinken indicated the administration was searching for the "right time".

-Iran's Role: Blinken added that apart from U.S. politics, Iran at times was not conceding enough to make the deal worthwhile, asserting "we actually kept the pressure on them".

-Regret over Missed Deal: Blinken expressed regret that a "longer and stronger" agreement was not secured, a goal the administration had often stated as its objective for a successor to the 2015 JCPOA.

These comments were part of a broader discussion regarding Iran policy. Blinken also noted during the talk that Iran has the "ability to leverage the Strait of Hormuz in ways that are profoundly disruptive," following recent military strikes by the U.S. and Israel.

No AI used.

"Political Constraints: When pressed about whether Biden had stalled on the deal until after the 2022 elections, ......."

Sanger began to ask if the mid-terms got 'into the way because President Biden didn't want to get into a .....'
Blinken didn't let Sanger finish his question, interrupted, and began distancing himself from the issue of the mid-terms. Sanger let him go on without returning to the mid-term question that Blinken had brought into the conversation.

I would not describe Sanger as pressing Blinken on the issue. I would not describe Blinken as being pressed on the issue.



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« Reply #489 on: March 26, 2026, 12:29:51 PM »
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I would not describe Sanger as pressing Blinken on the issue. I would not describe Blinken as being pressed on the issue.

You listened to the entire interview, or Fox News told you that?
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« Reply #490 on: March 26, 2026, 12:38:39 PM »
Does Nichi believe that Google AI summary is objective? ChatGPT is woke af, but probably not as woke as Google.

If the websites that your AI of choice is scraping have a mostly left-of-center slant, the summary itself will have a left-of-center slant.
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« Reply #491 on: March 26, 2026, 12:49:29 PM »
The people doing the bombing provide direct and detailed insight on the objectives that I’ve been told they don’t have, but Tempo and Murph would rather get their updates from Iranian state propaganda:

"Iran had a modern military, and never in recorded history has a nation’s military been so quickly and effectively neutralized," he said. "This is not an endless war. It’s a decisive campaign with clear objectives… to destroy Iran’s offensive military capabilities and ensure they never obtain a nuclear weapon."

The remarks come as the administration outlines its strategy following recent strikes on Iranian targets, describing the campaign as focused on defined military objectives rather than prolonged engagement.

Hegseth cited operational figures during his remarks, stating that more than 10,000 enemy targets had been hit, along with over 150 naval vessels and underground facilities.

"This is stuff for the books. This is stuff for legacy, Mr. President, to ensure future generations do not have to live under the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran," he said.

Hegseth also criticized press coverage of the operation, accusing outlets of failing to accurately reflect military efforts on the ground.


"You wouldn’t know it if you listened to the dishonest, anti-Trump media," he said. "Behind every headline you write, there’s a helicopter crew in the air. Behind every news story, there’s a battalion on the move. Behind every so-called ‘fake news’ story, there’s an F-35 pilot executing a dangerous mission."

Drawing on past experience, Hegseth referenced public debates during the Iraq war, arguing that media narratives have historically conflicted with military objectives.

He maintained that current operations differ from past conflicts, describing the campaign as structured and effective rather than open-ended.

"This is not parody. This is not chaos. This is success… pure American success, on plan and ahead of pace," Hegseth said.

Hegseth also claimed Iranian naval capabilities had been significantly degraded, stating that the commander of Iran's naval forces had been killed in a recent operation.

"They no longer have a navy, Mr. President," Hegseth stated. "Their naval commander was killed overnight in operations."


"If President Trump had not acted, you’d be screaming, ‘Why not?’ And now that he has taken decisive action, you’re asking why he did," Hegseth said.

Hegseth also referenced U.S. foreign policy under the Obama administration, criticizing the Iran nuclear deal.


"Many of the military factories and bases that are now being destroyed were paid for by pallets of American cash that Barack Obama flew to Tehran under the Iran deal," Hegseth said.

"Make no mistake… we had to act," he noted. "Our objective is the complete dismantling of their nuclear program."
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« Reply #492 on: March 26, 2026, 12:51:07 PM »
You listened to the entire interview, or Fox News told you that?
Was the issue mentioned on Fox ?

You can start at about 22 minutes into the interview. 
Or you could read the story from the Crimson. They don't mention the mid-term issue, much less the NYT writer 'pressing' Blinken on the issue.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2026/3/25/blinken-ceasefire/

No, I didn't listen to the entire interview

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« Reply #493 on: March 26, 2026, 01:14:25 PM »
Meanwhile, after supposedly rejecting any deal, and in the midst of a 48 hour push from Israel to eliminate what’s left of their arms industry, Iran tries to broker a peace meeting via Pakistan as soon as this weekend. They also sent a letter to the UN stating they’ll let non-hostile tankers through the strait. IACO

This isn’t Vietnam or Pakistan. We aren’t fucking around this time.

That’s what Trump is telling you but Iran says that’s bullshit.

The difference between Vietnam and Iran is that if we burned 1960’s Vietnam to the ground we’d never know the difference. If we burn Iran to the ground it destroys our own economy. And Iran knows this

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« Reply #494 on: March 26, 2026, 01:15:50 PM »
Antony Blinken just went to Harvard and said he wished that the Biden administration had done more to put the stops on Iran's nuclear program but the politics of the 2022 midterms got in the way.

Welp then we just better start a war.

Not the first time a bunch of republicans started a war over non existent nukes