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No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!

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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2026, 08:32:22 AM »
It's not a regime change. It's saving humanity.

And real estate deals, self-enrichment and other unnamed as of yet self serving ideas.
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2026, 09:09:34 AM »
It's a military operation. Not a war.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2026, 09:18:22 AM »
Quote from: Custard on Vacation on March 01, 2026, 03:57:00 AM
We stand with humanity. Doesn’t matter what imaginary line you live in front of or behind.

Oh really?! 🤔

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2027978433070788822?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2026, 10:08:56 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 01, 2026, 09:09:34 AM
It's a military operation. Not a war.

Regime change and destabilizing a country is 100% "war "
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2026, 10:09:46 AM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2026, 10:10:55 AM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on March 01, 2026, 08:32:22 AM
It's not a regime change. It's saving humanity.

And real estate deals, self-enrichment and other unnamed as of yet self serving ideas.
Lol

What about all those times Trump and his entire administration said they were against this? Bet you were against it then, too. But you are in a cult, so now you support it.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2026, 10:16:18 AM »
Quote from: Custard on Vacation on March 01, 2026, 10:10:55 AM
What about all those times Trump and his entire administration said they were against this? Bet you were against it then, too. But you are in a cult, so now you support it.

Or, things change. The world is fluid and ever changing. Things can’t always stay the same. If we feel now that Iran was a threat and this now needs to happen, then it will. I’m not saying I agree with it or believe we should have, but it happened. Biden and Obama have done the exact same thing and no one on the left was up in arms then. It’s all political.

Why is it you and your beliefs can change, but someone else’s can’t?!
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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2026, 10:19:00 AM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2026, 10:19:40 AM »
Quote from: Custard on Vacation on March 01, 2026, 10:19:00 AM
LOL

I agree. Very hypocritical of you and the left…
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2026, 10:26:46 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on March 01, 2026, 10:19:40 AM
I agree. Very hypocritical of you and the left…

We were told strikes last year set back the Iranians years if not a generation. “Things change!” You are a SHILL.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2026, 10:28:08 AM »
If Joe Biden had ran on no new wars, and then did this I can assure you, I wouldn’t have been cheerleading it. Because I am not a SHILL.
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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2026, 10:28:59 AM »
Iran was not an imminent threat.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2026, 10:40:18 AM »
Quote from: Custard on Vacation on March 01, 2026, 10:28:59 AM
Iran was not an imminent threat.
Did 1 of the Dems on the Intelligence Committee tell you this ?
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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2026, 11:56:01 AM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on March 01, 2026, 08:32:22 AM
It's not a regime change. It's saving humanity.

You're right about something. It's not a regime change.

Trump will do a midnight operation on Venezuela to kidnap their leader, and a bombing run to kill the leader of Iran, and neither regime will change.

And even if by some miracle, the entirety of the cleric circle and the Iranian Republican Guard craters, it won't save humanity.

The people doing their little party in Civic Center here yesterday had the Lion flags, the Iranian flag pre-revolution. You see, they (really their parents) escaped from Iran after the revolution, and came to America. Who does that, and who *can* do that?

The rich people who were part of the Shah's circle. Of course they think the Ayatollahs are a bunch of criminals - they were fat and happy and then there was a revolution and they lost a lot of their assets inside Iran. Luckily they all had massive assets offshore.

I have a friend who was smuggled out of Iran just after the revolution. It's a pretty hairy story - his parents paid the Kurds up in the North to smuggle him to Turkey, then they used a network and some bribery to get him to Cyprus, where relatives who lived in London extracted him, then he made it to the Chicago suburbs to other family. Ended up at UIUC and had a nice career in semiconductors. While the story is hairy, it only can happen if their family has extensive assets outside Iran.

All the revolution really did was change which assholes were scoobying up all the country's wealth, by exploiting how rough it was for the people who weren't taking part in the largesse. The Shah was just as corrupt. We backed him because he was cooperative to the US. But he was just as brutal as the Ayatollahs.

It would be impressive if this results in a change in the power structure, but I doubt it, and even if it does, we just get different assholes. There was nothing magic about Khameni, just like there was nothing magic about Khaddafi, or Assad, or Stalin, or Mao.
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Re: No New Wars! Well, maybe some new wars. OK, we LOVE war!
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2026, 01:12:45 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 01, 2026, 11:56:01 AM
You're right about something. It's not a regime change.

Trump will do a midnight operation on Venezuela to kidnap their leader, and a bombing run to kill the leader of Iran, and neither regime will change.

And even if by some miracle, the entirety of the cleric circle and the Iranian Republican Guard craters, it won't save humanity.

The people doing their little party in Civic Center here yesterday had the Lion flags, the Iranian flag pre-revolution. You see, they (really their parents) escaped from Iran after the revolution, and came to America. Who does that, and who *can* do that?

The rich people who were part of the Shah's circle. Of course they think the Ayatollahs are a bunch of criminals - they were fat and happy and then there was a revolution and they lost a lot of their assets inside Iran. Luckily they all had massive assets offshore.

I have a friend who was smuggled out of Iran just after the revolution. It's a pretty hairy story - his parents paid the Kurds up in the North to smuggle him to Turkey, then they used a network and some bribery to get him to Cyprus, where relatives who lived in London extracted him, then he made it to the Chicago suburbs to other family. Ended up at UIUC and had a nice career in semiconductors. While the story is hairy, it only can happen if their family has extensive assets outside Iran.

All the revolution really did was change which assholes were scoobying up all the country's wealth, by exploiting how rough it was for the people who weren't taking part in the largesse. The Shah was just as corrupt. We backed him because he was cooperative to the US. But he was just as brutal as the Ayatollahs.

It would be impressive if this results in a change in the power structure, but I doubt it, and even if it does, we just get different assholes. There was nothing magic about Khameni, just like there was nothing magic about Khaddafi, or Assad, or Stalin, or Mao.

Anyone who thinks they know how this will turn out is likely to find themselves surprised.  After the Shah fell, many progressive Iranian students expected democracy but were killed under Khomeini's rule.  Egypt also saw hopes for democracy after Mubarak but now faces another authoritarian leader.  A similar pattern occurred in Russia.  If you’re confident you know how this ends, you don’t.
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