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What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?

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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #150 on: April 12, 2026, 07:56:26 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 11, 2026, 11:09:58 PM
No. These were not all outside the President's control.

There is a detailed explanation here:

Explanation 3: Perverse enforcement policies:

Besides Title 42, Biden made another enforcement mistake. The biggest problem for deportations came from Venezuelans and other immigrants who could not be expelled to Mexico and who were logistically difficult or impossible to deport to their home countries. In response, Biden convinced Mexico to ban visa-free legal entries into Mexico for Venezuelans in January 2022, which had previously allowed Venezuelans who could afford to buy plane tickets to Mexico to travel to the US-Mexico border. Biden also convinced Belize and Costa Rica to ban Venezuelans as well, cutting off alternative flights for them.

This “closed border” policy initially reduced arrivals, but the Venezuelan ban backfired. ... https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-4-what-caused-border-crisis
Got it.

The Biden administration couldn't fly the Venezuelans back to their home country but they could fly them from their home country into the U.S.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #151 on: April 12, 2026, 11:36:58 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 11, 2026, 03:03:55 PM
January 16, 2025 6:01AM
Biden Didn’t Cause the Border Crisis, Part 1: Summary

My problem with all this is the misuse of the word "crisis".

Bombs flying around and destroying energy infrastructure that's propping up the whole world's economy? That might just be a crisis.
A few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes? Not a crisis.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #152 on: April 12, 2026, 02:35:22 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 12, 2026, 11:36:58 AM
My problem with all this is the misuse of the word "crisis".

Bombs flying around and destroying energy infrastructure that's propping up the whole world's economy? That might just be a crisis.
A few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes? Not a crisis.

It's a crisis when it propels Trump back to the presidency.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #153 on: April 12, 2026, 02:37:12 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 12, 2026, 11:36:58 AM
My problem with all this is the misuse of the word "crisis".

Bombs flying around and destroying energy infrastructure that's propping up the whole world's economy? That might just be a crisis.
A few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes? Not a crisis.

Good point. There was no border crisis and Biden didn't cause it. The border was mismanaged in the aftermath of the pandemic.

Biden contributed to the mismanagement, but not the way MN believes. There was no open border policy. Democrats need a "the open borders hoax" slogan.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #154 on: April 12, 2026, 02:45:24 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 12, 2026, 02:37:12 PM
Good point. There was no border crisis and Biden didn't cause it. The border was mismanaged in the aftermath of the pandemic.

Biden contributed to the mismanagement, but not the way MN believes. There was no open border policy. Democrats need a "the open borders hoax" slogan.
The Biden DOJ went after Texas whenever Texas tried to stem the flow of illegal crossings between legal entry points wirh razor wire or shipping containers.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #155 on: April 12, 2026, 03:01:47 PM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on April 12, 2026, 07:56:26 AM
Got it.

The Biden administration couldn't fly the Venezuelans back to their home country but they could fly them from their home country into the U.S.

No, you didn't get it. Maybe try reading that again..

"The biggest problem for deportations came from Venezuelans and other immigrants who could not be expelled to Mexico and who were logistically difficult or impossible to deport to their home countries."

Your homework: find out why would it be logistically difficult or impossible to deport Venezuelans to their home country..

In response, Biden convinced Mexico to ban visa-free legal entries into Mexico for Venezuelans in January 2022, which had previously allowed Venezuelans who could afford to buy plane tickets to Mexico to travel to the US-Mexico border. Biden also convinced Belize and Costa Rica to ban Venezuelans as well, cutting off alternative flights for them.

This was to.prevrent Venezuelans from flying to Mexico and then sneaking into the United States.

This “closed border” policy initially reduced arrivals, but the Venezuelan ban backfired. ... https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-didnt-cause-border-crisis-part-4-what-caused-border-crisis

You have to st least scan the article to find out why the policy failed and actually made it easier for poor Venezuelans to find their way into the ,United States.

Note that Title 42,; which Biden inherited also backfired by increasing border reentry "churn."
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #156 on: April 12, 2026, 03:08:09 PM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on April 12, 2026, 02:45:24 PM
The Biden DOJ went after Texas whenever Texas tried to stem the flow of illegal crossings between legal entry points wirh razor wire or shipping containers.

AI review

The Biden administration's Department of Justice (DOJ) has engaged in several legal battles with Texas regarding state-led border security measures under "Operation Lone Star." The disputes focused on the placement of unauthorized barriers, including razor wire and floating buoys, and the federal government's authority to manage immigration.

Key Legal Disputes and DOJ Actions:

*Razor Wire Cutting (Eagle Pass): In late 2023, the DOJ argued that federal Border Patrol agents needed to cut through concertina wire installed by Texas in Eagle Pass to access the border, render aid, and process migrants, claiming the wire prevented agents from fulfilling their duties. Texas sued the Biden administration to stop this, alleging the destruction of state property. In January 2024, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in favor of the Biden administration, allowing federal agents to continue cutting or moving the wire while the legal battle continued.

*Rio Grande Floating Barriers (Buoys): In July 2023, the DOJ sued Texas over the installation of a roughly 1,000-foot line of orange, wrecking ball-sized buoys in the Rio Grande, which was intended to stop illegal crossings. The lawsuit argued that the barrier violated federal law (the Rivers and Harbors Act) by obstructing navigable waters without authorization, raised humanitarian concerns, and created potential diplomatic issues with Mexico. While a federal judge initially ordered the removal of the buoys, that decision was later appealed.

*Shipping Containers and Fencing: Texas has utilized shipping containers, razor wire, and other materials to construct barriers in high-traffic, non-legal crossing areas. The Biden administration has criticized these measures as unsafe, ineffective, and detrimental to federal border security efforts.

*SB 4 Legislation: The DOJ also sued Texas over Senate Bill 4, a law passed in 2023 that would allow state and local law enforcement to arrest and deport migrants, which the federal government argued is unconstitutional and interferes with federal authority over immigration.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton have defended these actions as necessary, arguing the state has a right to defend itself against a historic surge in illegal crossings and that the federal government has failed to do so effectively
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #157 on: April 12, 2026, 08:43:17 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 12, 2026, 11:36:58 AM
My problem with all this is the misuse of the word "crisis".

Bombs flying around and destroying energy infrastructure that's propping up the whole world's economy? That might just be a crisis.
A few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes? Not a crisis.


Lol there was a lot more going on that a few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes, but you know that.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #158 on: April 12, 2026, 08:45:14 PM »
Ray’s undying love of Biden’s failed immigration enforcement being propped up by asking AI the right questions

I imagine it’s like a kid who really wants something asking their parents 10 different ways until they finally say ok fine
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #159 on: April 12, 2026, 08:49:45 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 12, 2026, 08:43:17 PM

Lol there was a lot more going on that a few Mexicans crawling across the border to wash dishes, but you know that.

Equivalent to starting a war in Iran?

Nope.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #160 on: April 12, 2026, 09:16:30 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 12, 2026, 08:45:14 PM
Ray’s undying love of Biden’s failed immigration enforcement being propped up by asking AI the right questions

I imagine it’s like a kid who really wants something asking their parents 10 different ways until they finally say ok fine

I guess that is easier than actually addressing the Cato article and the other points I raised.

Biden's  border policies failed to a significant extent. Just not for the reasons you think.

*He did not have an open border.

The closed border, particularly under policies like Title 42 and subsequent Biden-era restrictions, caused migrants to seek entry and reentry illegally between official ports of entry (such as in the San Diego and El Paso sectors). This led to increased recidivism, with migrants attempting to cross multiple times. -- AI
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #161 on: April 13, 2026, 05:51:44 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 12, 2026, 03:08:09 PM
AI review

The Biden administration's Department of Justice (DOJ) has engaged in several legal battles with Texas regarding state-led border security measures under "Operation Lone Star." The disputes focused on the placement of unauthorized barriers, including razor wire and floating buoys, and the federal government's authority to manage immigration.

Key Legal Disputes and DOJ Actions:

*Razor Wire Cutting (Eagle Pass): In late 2023, the DOJ argued that federal Border Patrol agents needed to cut through concertina wire installed by Texas in Eagle Pass to access the border, render aid, and process migrants, claiming the wire prevented agents from fulfilling their duties. Texas sued the Biden administration to stop this, alleging the destruction of state property. In January 2024, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in favor of the Biden administration, allowing federal agents to continue cutting or moving the wire while the legal battle continued.

*Rio Grande Floating Barriers (Buoys): In July 2023, the DOJ sued Texas over the installation of a roughly 1,000-foot line of orange, wrecking ball-sized buoys in the Rio Grande, which was intended to stop illegal crossings. The lawsuit argued that the barrier violated federal law (the Rivers and Harbors Act) by obstructing navigable waters without authorization, raised humanitarian concerns, and created potential diplomatic issues with Mexico. While a federal judge initially ordered the removal of the buoys, that decision was later appealed.

*Shipping Containers and Fencing: Texas has utilized shipping containers, razor wire, and other materials to construct barriers in high-traffic, non-legal crossing areas. The Biden administration has criticized these measures as unsafe, ineffective, and detrimental to federal border security efforts.

*SB 4 Legislation: The DOJ also sued Texas over Senate Bill 4, a law passed in 2023 that would allow state and local law enforcement to arrest and deport migrants, which the federal government argued is unconstitutional and interferes with federal authority over immigration.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton have defended these actions as necessary, arguing the state has a right to defend itself against a historic surge in illegal crossings and that the federal government has failed to do so effectively
Thanks for the post-event summaries of the Biden DOJ not going after Texas to protect the administration's immigration policies that you have described as "mismanaged" and "failed to a significant event."

Does CATO mention any recidivists waltzing across the border once the Biden DOJ went after the razor wire and shipping containers ?

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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #162 on: April 13, 2026, 08:42:01 AM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on April 13, 2026, 05:51:44 AM
Thanks for the post-event summaries of the Biden DOJ not going after Texas to protect the administration's immigration policies that you have described as "mismanaged" and "failed to a significant event."

Does CATO mention any recidivists waltzing across the border once the Biden DOJ went after the razor wire and shipping containers ?

wE CAn'T prOcESs MiGRanTs !!! Mr. ABoTt, tAKe tHaT WiRe DoWN !!!

Did you miss the point intentionally?

Biden's closed border policies, some of which he inherited, caused migrants to seek illegal entry and reentry  between officially border crossings. That was the mismanagement part.

Texas attempt to take matters into their own hands. The Biden Admin responded. Reminds me of sanctuary cities, except the sides flipped.

The successful effort to blame the post pandemic border situation on a non-existent open border is, I suppose, skillful use of political propaganda.

Biden is partially to blame for making it worse, but for closed border policies, not open borders.

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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #163 on: April 13, 2026, 09:01:15 AM »
Got it.
The migrants attempted to enter the country illegally because of Biden's border policies. Otherwise they would have had to go to a legal point of entry to pursue an entry legally and be given the opportunity to present claims for asylum.
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Re: What is the Democrat Platform in 2025?
« Reply #164 on: April 13, 2026, 09:50:38 AM »
Quote from: Somewhere in Mn on April 13, 2026, 09:01:15 AM
Got it.
The migrants attempted to enter the country illegally because of Biden's border policies. Otherwise they would have had to go to a legal point of entry to pursue an entry legally and be given the opportunity to present claims for asylum.

The migrants attempted to enter the country illegally because the GOP refuses to prosecute employers who hire illegals
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