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WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #225 on: August 27, 2021, 08:15:32 AM »
Let's give him some credit, here. Now the Tallyban and ISIS will be busy going after each other. Genius!
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #226 on: August 27, 2021, 06:57:11 PM »
Let's give him some credit, here. Now the Tallyban and ISIS will be busy going after each other. Genius!
We don't know if the Taliban forked over any of their new found $88 billion in military equipment to the Kpals tho.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #227 on: August 27, 2021, 08:02:01 PM »
We don't know if the Taliban forked over any of their new found $88 billion in military equipment to the Kpals tho.

The reports say they don't like each other. That was probably what Trump was talking about (they will fight terrorists) when he made the initial deal with the Tallyban.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #228 on: August 27, 2021, 09:25:38 PM »
The reports say they don't like each other. That was probably what Trump was talking about (they will fight terrorists) when he made the initial deal with the Tallyban.
Both don't like us tho.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #229 on: August 27, 2021, 09:37:30 PM »
We don't know if the Taliban forked over any of their new found $88 billion in military equipment to the Kpals tho.

$88 billion to train, equip and fund Afghan troops and police, and yet the Taliban are now in power. 

Not an easy thing to manufacture political leadership, social cohesion and the will to fight in a land of many tribes, ethnicities and religious groups.   
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/16/how-afghanistan-fell-to-the-taliban-so-quickly.html

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #230 on: August 27, 2021, 09:41:25 PM »
We don't know if the Taliban forked over any of their new found $88 billion in military equipment to the Kpals tho.

"One expert says aircraft and other military equipment are likely worth less than $10 billion."
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/20/viral-image/no-proof-biden-left-taliban-80b-weapons-or-he-want/

"As the Taliban took over Afghanistan, it recovered military equipment the U.S. provided to the Afghan National Security Forces. The Islamic fundamentalist group now possesses guns, ammunition, Humvees and helicopters left behind by fleeing Afghan forces"

"The U.S. spent more than $83 billion equipping and training the Afghan military, but not all of that money went toward weapons"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/25/fact-check-biden-didnt-gift-taliban-weapons/8197978002/
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #231 on: August 27, 2021, 09:42:55 PM »
$88 billion to train, equip and fund Afghan troops and police, and yet the Taliban are now in power. 

Not an easy thing to manufacture political leadership, social cohesion and the will to fight in a land of many tribes, ethnicities and religious groups.   
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/16/how-afghanistan-fell-to-the-taliban-so-quickly.html

Good to see the return of reasoned responses
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #232 on: August 28, 2021, 12:13:07 AM »
Who knew the Afghan army would collapse faster than the Cubs after the trading deadline?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #233 on: August 28, 2021, 07:28:05 AM »
We left Bagram AFB in the middle of the night on July 6. We took air support and maintenance crews with.
" Afghan soldiers who wandered Monday throughout the base that had once seen as many as 100,000 U.S. troops were deeply critical of how the U.S. left Bagram, leaving in the night without telling the Afghan soldiers tasked with patrolling the perimeter.

“In one night, they lost all the goodwill of 20 years by leaving the way they did, in the night, without telling the Afghan soldiers who were outside patrolling the area,” said Afghan soldier Naematullah, who asked that only his one name be used."
https://apnews.com/article/bagram-afghanistan-airfield-us-troops-f3614828364f567593251aaaa167e623

From the same writer (on 8-10) of the CNBC article .....
As the U.S. withdrawals from Afghanistan, the Taliban has made stunning battlefield advances despite being vastly outnumbered by the Afghan military. Over the weekend, the Taliban swiftly seized five provincial Afghan capitals, taking three in one day alone.
“They have an Air Force, the Taliban doesn’t. They have modern weaponry and organizational skills, the Taliban doesn’t. They have superior numbers to the Taliban,” Kirby said. “They have the advantages, and it’s really now their time to use those advantages.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/10/biden-says-afghans-must-fight-for-themselves-as-taliban-advances.html

And on 8-16 ....
"But few expected a takeover this swift, with so little resistance from the Afghan government and Afghan National Army, the latter of which was funded and trained with $89 billion from the U.S. taxpayer."
"But among the main causes, analysts say, are intelligence failures, a more powerful Taliban, corruption, money, cultural differences, and simple willpower."
“When the U.S. announced a total withdrawal, that sent a signal to Afghan soldiers and police that the end was near, and converted chronically poor motivation into acute collapse as nobody wanted to be the last man standing after the others gave up,” he explained.
“Once the signal was sent, contagion dynamics thus took over and the collapse snowballed with increasing speed and virtually no actual fighting,” Biddle added."

No mention in either article of leaving Bagram on July 6.

We left with our intent of keeping troop numbers small enough to protect our embassy and a 1 runway international airport in the middle of an urban area. We couldn't protect Bagram and the embassy with those numbers.
We then sent 5,000 troops in.



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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #234 on: August 29, 2021, 09:39:32 AM »
Maybe the Afghan army should have sucked it up and not have collapsed as fast as the Cubs after the trading deadline.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #235 on: August 29, 2021, 01:13:55 PM »
Good effing grief. Trump told them we were pulling everyone out by May 1. How would pulling out of Bagram 2 months later come as a surprise? Makes  no sense.

"Kirby insisted the U.S. withdrawal from Bagram had been communicated to high-level Afghan officials, saying the "final conversations" — including a joint walk-through of the facilities — occurred roughly 48 hours ahead of the departure."

"... though he added the exact time of departure was not shared in advance with Afghan officials due to security concerns."
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/06/1013319188/the-u-s-left-an-afghan-airfield-at-night-without-telling-the-new-commander

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #236 on: August 29, 2021, 01:42:50 PM »
Good effing grief. Trump told them we were pulling everyone out by May 1. How would pulling out of Bagram 2 months later come as a surprise? Makes  no sense.

"Kirby insisted the U.S. withdrawal from Bagram had been communicated to high-level Afghan officials, saying the "final conversations" — including a joint walk-through of the facilities — occurred roughly 48 hours ahead of the departure."

"... though he added the exact time of departure was not shared in advance with Afghan officials due to security concerns."
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/06/1013319188/the-u-s-left-an-afghan-airfield-at-night-without-telling-the-new-commander


Because nobody in their right minds think we would abandon our air force base 2 months before getting US citizens out ?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #237 on: August 29, 2021, 02:19:07 PM »
Because nobody in their right minds think we would abandon our air force base 2 months before getting US citizens out ?

I would guess, in theory,  we didn't think the Afghan army was filled with guys who would just run away when the Tallyban said "Boo!"
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #238 on: August 29, 2021, 02:50:36 PM »
I would guess, in theory,  we didn't think the Afghan army was filled with guys who would just run away when the Tallyban said "Boo!"
2 days later....
"THE PRESIDENT:  It’s a — it’s a silly question.  Do I trust the Taliban?  No.  But I trust the capacity of the Afghan military, who is better trained, better equipped, and more re- — more competent in terms of conducting war."

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #239 on: August 29, 2021, 02:59:30 PM »
2 days later....
"THE PRESIDENT:  It’s a — it’s a silly question.  Do I trust the Taliban?  No.  But I trust the capacity of the Afghan military, who is better trained, better equipped, and more re- — more competent in terms of conducting war."

Obviously he, and Trump, and everyone else who wanted us to leave Afghanistan, was wrong on the "competent" part. He was right on the rest.
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