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WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #195 on: February 23, 2021, 09:09:10 PM »
Making a prepared speech is not the same as answering questions and other non-scripted stuff. You might be able to do fine, but in my experience, most people don’t sound nearly as coherent as they think they do/would in those situations.

I get your point, but answering questions and non-scripted stuff is exactly the kind of public speaking I have typically done. Of course, that isn’t the same as being the President of the United States.

I happen to think Biden does a reasonable job of communicating for a man his age, but don’t quite get the defensiveness when people point out he’s showing some signs of cognitive decline. At his age it’s far more likely than not. And it’s not (always) an assault on his character.

Saturday Night Live has been making fun of old, seemingly out-of-touch presidents for decades and Biden is the oldest non-incumbent we’ve ever elected by nearly a decade. He’s eight years older than Trump, nine years older than Reagan and fourteen years older than George HW Bush were when they assumed office. Doesn’t mean he won’t have a great term, but it certainly raises the question, “How old is too old?”

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #196 on: February 24, 2021, 02:48:32 PM »
I was all over this Biden dementia thing a year ago too.

That was from his performances in the debates. He was unimpressive in the town hall the other day. Prepared speeches or lower pressure situations he's fine.

This gets back to his stutter, which is probably getting worse, and as he's aging he's having more trouble getting the right word when he needs it. It's hard enough for me to do that, and I need to just find the right word from my vocabulary, Biden needs to find the right word that works in the context of the words preceeding and following it to not trigger the stutter. The prepared speeches are designed to flow with his various difficulties.

But when you consider his strategy and decision making, it's been very artful so far.


Joe Manchin just announced he will vote to confirm Deb Haaland. She's a good pick for a lot of reasons, but her background would put a dimmer on fracking and coal, which Manchin supports, being a blue dog from a state basically propped up by coal and nat gas.

So why does he vote yes? He loses power if he always votes no, and he voted down Neera Tanden. Tanden was an odd pick, people were bagging on Biden for the choice given a lot of things in her background that didn't really require the CIA to do opposition research. Then Schumer schedules the two votes in succession, Manchin opposes Tanden, and then oh shit he can't vote against Haaland, so he votes yes then Biden rolls out his real pick for OMB.

This isn't just Biden, he has a savvy staff, but he knows how things work, and that edge is still there.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #197 on: February 24, 2021, 03:26:33 PM »
Minor Nit - Tanden vote hasn't happened, was delayed, Manchin had just *signalled* he would vote her down.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #198 on: February 24, 2021, 04:14:35 PM »
I get your point, but answering questions and non-scripted stuff is exactly the kind of public speaking I have typically done. Of course, that isn’t the same as being the President of the United States.

I happen to think Biden does a reasonable job of communicating for a man his age, but don’t quite get the defensiveness when people point out he’s showing some signs of cognitive decline. At his age it’s far more likely than not. And it’s not (always) an assault on his character.

Saturday Night Live has been making fun of old, seemingly out-of-touch presidents for decades and Biden is the oldest non-incumbent we’ve ever elected by nearly a decade. He’s eight years older than Trump, nine years older than Reagan and fourteen years older than George HW Bush were when they assumed office. Doesn’t mean he won’t have a great term, but it certainly raises the question, “How old is too old?”
Biden certainly isn’t at the top of his game any more. Pointing out that he might be declining is one thing. People who think “I could do as good as he did” are usually wrong though, which is the point of what I’m saying.

Speaking for myself, I might be a little sensitive to people saying he is cognitively declining because most of those accusations are coming from Trump fans, and Trump certainly was showing just as much (if not more) cognitive decline than Biden.

EDIT: also, along the lines of what Murph said, there’s not being able to speak as well, and there’s not being able to process information and make decisions. Biden might have speaking trouble, but I don’t have reason to doubt his decision making.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #199 on: February 25, 2021, 12:37:16 AM »
I’m comfortable saying Trump and Biden are both over the hill for my taste. I guess I just prefer younger more charismatic and generally relatable candidates. Hard for me to relate to people twice my age that were career politicians or silver spoon playboy reality TV celebrities. I can kind of dig the razor sharp elder statesmanorwoman type of candidate as well but seems that’s also too much to ask.

Agree with murph that Biden seems to have a savvy staff. Not sure how much actual decision making he is doing but he has certainly restored some basic dignity to the position.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #200 on: February 25, 2021, 12:41:58 AM »
I'm ready to anoint Kavita Patel or Nahid Bhadelia.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #201 on: February 25, 2021, 12:46:02 AM »
If only CT was here to see this.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #202 on: February 25, 2021, 07:15:50 AM »
If only CT was here to see this.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #203 on: February 26, 2021, 10:43:57 AM »
wow, imagine my shock, another "conspiracy theory" coming true

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #204 on: February 26, 2021, 12:10:16 PM »
What conspiracy
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #205 on: February 26, 2021, 01:55:48 PM »
What conspiracy

Exactly. The friggin' Iraqis approved the strike and helped pick where to strike after the Iramian supported groups were bombing bases. Thanks Trump!
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #206 on: February 27, 2021, 05:32:39 PM »
What “conspiracy theory” would this be?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #207 on: March 14, 2021, 02:15:45 PM »
That press conference the other day was bizarre. Acted like the entire country was still locked down and no one was willing to leave their home unless they were vaccinated. Didn’t field any questions and just slowly turned around and doddered off. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #208 on: March 14, 2021, 02:28:34 PM »
If he was off golfing, holding fundraisers, swilling diet coke, or obsessively watching cable news, I'd be concerned.

I like presidents who prefer to do work more than talking. 

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #209 on: March 14, 2021, 02:31:33 PM »
Ok Baghdad Bob
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