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WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1320 on: December 16, 2024, 02:51:37 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 16, 2024, 02:45:22 PM
Shouldn't the President have an adequate defense against baseless accusations and malicious prosecutions?  /s

Some think the people who Trump threatened with revenge for doing their jobs should be shielded from baseless accusations and malicious prosecution.
If the accusations aren't baseless and the prosecution is not malicious is that revenge ?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1321 on: December 16, 2024, 03:02:51 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 16, 2024, 02:24:21 PM
If the charges are "baseless" then the "perceived enemies" should have an adequate defense.
Who are these "perceived enemies" ?

Omg. Somebody might weaponize the justice dept ? lol

Do you think these people would sit worry free at home while their lawyers work pro bono to keep them out of jail?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1322 on: December 16, 2024, 03:08:10 PM »
Quote from: V on December 16, 2024, 03:02:51 PM
Do you think these people would sit worry free at home while their lawyers work pro bono to keep them out of jail?
But, but, but I'm being told they didn't do anything wrong. They shouldn't have anything to worry about.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1323 on: December 16, 2024, 03:15:10 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 16, 2024, 03:08:10 PM
But, but, but I'm being told they didn't do anything wrong. They shouldn't have anything to worry about.

Then, then, the President shouldn't need immunity. You can't have it both ways.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1324 on: December 16, 2024, 03:19:48 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 16, 2024, 02:51:37 PM
If the accusations aren't baseless and the prosecution is not malicious is that revenge ?

If the accusations aren't baseless and the prosecutions are not malicious; should the President have immunity?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1325 on: December 16, 2024, 03:20:02 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 16, 2024, 02:08:21 PM
So you are of the opinion they may have committed crimes ?

Voting against trump is a crime!
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1326 on: December 16, 2024, 03:23:03 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 16, 2024, 02:24:21 PM
If the charges are "baseless" then the "perceived enemies" should have an adequate defense.
Who are these "perceived enemies" ?

Omg. Somebody might weaponize the justice dept ? lol

I see you are still new here.

When a cop writes a bullshit traffic ticket, and you show up to contest it and the cop doesn't show, you "beat the baseless charges" but also wasted a day of your time dealing with traffic court. Harassment is an effective tool.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1327 on: December 16, 2024, 03:24:26 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on December 16, 2024, 02:51:37 PM
If the accusations aren't baseless and the prosecution is not malicious is that revenge ?

If there is sufficient evidence of an actual crime; then by all means, investigate. If the crime is sedition, well ...
« Last Edit: December 16, 2024, 03:33:54 PM by illiniray »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1328 on: December 16, 2024, 03:25:06 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 16, 2024, 02:27:54 PM
Does he really want to spend the next 2 to 4  years and lot of money dealing with malicious prosecutions?

OTOH, I kind of a agree with him. Let's revisit the January 6 committee hearings.

Kinzinger would LOVE to do that. I mean, it's not particularly his first choice of what to do with his life, wishes this wasn't an issue, but given the state we are in, a set of baseless charges against him gives him the opportunity to fight back in broad daylight, which is basically his job right now.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1329 on: December 16, 2024, 03:40:31 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 16, 2024, 03:15:10 PM
Then, then, the President shouldn't need immunity. You can't have it both ways.


You left out "have to" after "shouldn't".
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1330 on: December 16, 2024, 03:41:40 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 16, 2024, 03:19:48 PM
If the accusations aren't baseless and the prosecutions are not malicious; should the President have immunity?
SCOTUS apparently thinks it's now necessary.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2024, 03:46:04 PM by No one in Mn »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1331 on: December 16, 2024, 05:00:53 PM »
DemocRats don’t want Trump to do to them what they’ve done to him for 8 years !
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1332 on: December 17, 2024, 09:16:46 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on December 16, 2024, 02:27:54 PM

OTOH, I kind of a agree with him. Let's revisit the January 6 committee hearings.
Let's.
"Based on the evidence obtained by this Subcommittee, numerous federal laws were likely broken
by Liz Cheney, the former Vice Chair of the January 6 Select Committee, and these violations
should be investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation."

https://cha.house.gov/2024/12/chairman-loudermilk-releases-second-january-6-2021-report/1699d69d-80c8-4098-bc1a-4935524c4b76
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1333 on: December 17, 2024, 10:29:06 AM »
Dirt digging at its finest. Looks like bullshit. Cheney told Cassidy Hutchinson she could not discuss her testimony without her lawyer  present. Hutchinson contacted Cheney anyway. It appears there may have been concerns about whose interests the lawyer may have been representing.

. “Even amid multiple failures, there were two common elements that significantly contributed to the security issues: an excessive amount of political influence on critical decisions, and a greater concern over the optics than for protecting life and property.”-- loudermilk committee

It wasn't the fault of the people who attacked the capital with the intention of overturning an election. It was a security failure by the Democrats. Orwellian
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Re: WTF is wrong with Joe Biden today?
« Reply #1334 on: December 17, 2024, 10:47:19 AM »
Interesting:

""Passantino was the lawyer for Cassidy Hutchinson, a former White House aide who was unemployed at the time, who under subpoena testified before the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack.

Trump's Save America political action committee paid Passantino for his representation of Hutchinson, and the committee reported that he did not tell her who was paying him. After she was deposed, Hutchinson received a call from a top aide to Mark Meadows saying: "Mark wants me to let you know that he knows you’re loyal, and he knows you’ll do the right thing tomorrow and that you’re going to protect him and the boss."
Concerned that her testimony was being conveyed to Trump, and suspecting Passantino's legal team of leaking it to him, but having no evidence of any leak, she terminated Passantino's representation of her."

"Hutchinson testified that Passantino assured her that "Trump world" would find her a job and keep her in the family"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Passantino
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