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The most important election of our lives

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #660 on: January 05, 2025, 07:18:29 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 04, 2025, 04:44:27 PM
I read it that the FEC accused the Clinton Campaign and the  DNC of misreporting. Not HRC personally. I don't think there was a criminal charge either. It was a civil penalty.

Also, I read that Cohen pleaded guilty to a criminal charge. Was that the FEC?  Or the FBI? The IRS? The SPCA? I don't really give a SHIT. They decided not to charge Trump. Probably because the main witness would have been Cohen..
The FEC declined to pursue charges against Trump saying they had plenty of other fish to fry.  While also saying that tho the Trump campaign may have committed an FEC violation it was the amount, not the type, of "legal expense" that would have required the disclosure.

And the Clinton campaign was fined $8000. The DNC was fined the remaining $105,000.

May 2021: FEC declines to pursue Trump charges.
March 2022: Clinton campaign and DNC settles with the FEC.
Nov 2022: Trump declares candidacy.
April 2023: Bragg, after previously not pursuing the case and already knowing that the FEC declined to charge Trump and that the FEC did charge another NY resident with only an $8000 fine, hangs 34 felonies on Trump 5 months after declaring for President.
Clinton, another NY resident, was not charged for misuse of "legal expenses" to interfere with a federal election even tho she had previously been fined civilly by the FEC for the same.
The Clinton campaign probably, as you say, didn't fight the charge because Fusion GPS was hired to do "opposition research" and Fusion GPS said they were contracted to do "opposition research."
There really wasn't much for the Clinton campaign to fight, and it certainly wouldn't have been worth a fight over an $8000 fine.

You may not give a shit but Bragg opened the door wide for a District Attorney, not a State's Attorney or US Attorney, to pursue felony charges against an individual if that individual declares his/her candidacy in a federal election.

The door is wide open thanks to Bragg and Judge Merchan.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #661 on: January 05, 2025, 12:39:18 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 05, 2025, 07:18:29 AM
The door is wide open thanks to Bragg and Judge Merchan.

Trump paid off Stormy Daniels and faked business records to conceal it. I don't think that was even disputed. A crime was committed, but the statute of limitations on the misdemeanor had expired.

Something or other in NY turned it into a felony. The reasoning was tedious and I have no actual  interest in revisiting that. It is dubious whether it is upheld.

The DNC and the Clinton Campaign had an accounting dispute with the FEC. They settled without conceding. What

Not similar.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #662 on: January 06, 2025, 10:02:13 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 04, 2025, 03:18:51 PM
Lots and lots of people think they shouldn’t have pursued it. The fact that they did was obvious lawfare and pushed more people toward Trump than away from him. Should have been civil if anything like Hillary’s campaign fine.

When you get down to it, the Democrats and Courts should have said meh. The Courts because "who cares - some rich dude gave some money or favors to a porn star for sex and gave her money to not say anything about it so his wife wouldn't bash his car window out with a golf club? Who cares!"

The Democrats should have downplayed it because a non-trivial percent of Trump's base thinks it's cool that this guy is 70 years old and gets to have sex with porn stars.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #663 on: January 06, 2025, 03:50:09 PM »
Are we going to pretend that Russian oligarch money didn’t keep the Donald afloat for many years?
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #664 on: January 06, 2025, 09:06:32 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 04, 2025, 03:18:51 PM
lawfare

This article is 7 months and dated, but the point remains the same.

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"Lawfare" against Trump? Donald Trump may not have invented lawfare but if there is ever a monument to lawfare, Trump should be the Michaelangelo who carves it. Second in line to his claims about liars, Trump's claim of lawfare against him is his masterpiece of projection.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawfare-king-opinion-1912461
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #665 on: January 06, 2025, 11:23:03 PM »
Quote from: ThePAStrawMan on January 06, 2025, 03:50:09 PM
Are we going to pretend that Russian oligarch money didn’t keep the Donald afloat for many years?

Did it really?
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #666 on: January 06, 2025, 11:24:34 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 06, 2025, 09:06:32 PM
This article is 7 months and dated, but the point remains the same.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawfare-king-opinion-1912461


Trump threatened a lot of what’s now called lawfare against what he perceived as slander/libel/outright manufactured lies. Nothing much came of it.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #667 on: January 07, 2025, 09:24:37 AM »
Quote from: Custard on January 06, 2025, 11:24:34 PM

Trump threatened a lot of what’s now called lawfare against what he perceived as slander/libel/outright manufactured lies. Nothing much came of it.

He usually lost.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #668 on: January 07, 2025, 09:48:50 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 06, 2025, 09:06:32 PM
This article is 7 months and dated, but the point remains the same.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawfare-king-opinion-1912461
I thought I would read a little bit from the retired judge.
I stopped when he referred to Trump as a convicted felon.
"Only the New York hush money case went to trial and has left him a convicted felon..."

A person becomes a convicted felon at sentencing.
Trump hasn't been sentenced in this case and there is still the possibility that he will never be sentenced in this case.
Thanks, Judge.
Article dismissed.

While we're here on sentencing, Bragg proposed applying the Alabama Rule.
Merchan dismissed applying the Alabama Rule saying that imposing the Alabama Rule might deny Trump's appellate rights.

The Alabama Rule was proposed by Bragg and dismissed by Merchan as not being fair to the defendant in this case.
Apparently the Alabama Rule is recognized by only a handful of states and New York is not one of them.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #669 on: January 07, 2025, 11:28:41 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 07, 2025, 09:24:37 AM
He usually lost.
Most of the suits were tossed pre-election with no evidence being heard because no one had been "harmed" yet.
They were tossed post-election with no evidence being heard because of "laches".
Except there was the Ga case that was not assigned to a judge within the 30 days that Ga law required.
And post-election they were tossed
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #670 on: January 07, 2025, 11:34:09 AM »
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Calculations show he and his businesses have been embroiled in more than four thousand lawsuits over the past 30 years. He has serially stiffed contractors and even publicly threatened not to pay a teleprompter vendor at a recent rally in Las Vegas. Trump companies have filed six bankruptcies.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #671 on: January 07, 2025, 01:15:27 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 07, 2025, 09:48:50 AM

I stopped when he referred to Trump as a convicted felon.
"Only the New York hush money case went to trial and has left him a convicted felon..."

A person becomes a convicted felon at sentencing.
Trump hasn't been sentenced in this case and there is still the possibility that he will never be sentenced in this case.
Thanks, Judge.
Article dismissed.


Do you have a source for this? I have seen that claimed by Trump apologists, but no credible sources.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #672 on: January 07, 2025, 01:26:16 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 07, 2025, 11:28:41 AM
Most of the suits were tossed pre-election with no evidence being heard because no one had been "harmed" yet.
They were tossed post-election with no evidence being heard because of "laches".

A cursory glance says that is wrong.
 
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #673 on: January 07, 2025, 01:55:57 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 07, 2025, 01:26:16 PM
A cursory glance says that is wrong.
 
Quote from: illiniray on January 07, 2025, 01:15:27 PM
Do you have a source for this? I have seen that claimed by Trump apologists, but no credible sources.
Trump filed a motion in the last few days to dismiss based on the SCOTUS immunity decision. Merchan denied the motion. If he had accepted the motion and dismissed the case would the "Trump apologists", as you call them, be wrong ?

If the case is dismissed before sentencing, is he a convicted felon tho the case was dismissed ?
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #674 on: January 07, 2025, 04:50:32 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 07, 2025, 01:55:57 PM
Trump filed a motion in the last few days to dismiss based on the SCOTUS immunity decision. Merchan denied the motion. If he had accepted the motion and dismissed the case would the "Trump apologists", as you call them, be wrong ?

If the case is dismissed before sentencing, is he a convicted felon tho the case was dismissed ?

If he is convicted and sentenced, and the case is overturned on appeal; is he a convicted felon?

I gather you don't have a legit source?
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