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The most important election of our lives

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #615 on: January 02, 2025, 01:21:18 AM »
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #616 on: January 02, 2025, 05:54:45 AM »
Exactly
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #617 on: January 02, 2025, 07:45:03 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 01, 2025, 08:43:46 PM
I'm not sure it happened the way you think it did.



I'm sure the doofus pleaded guilty.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #618 on: January 02, 2025, 09:50:03 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 02, 2025, 07:45:03 AM
I'm sure the doofus pleaded guilty.
I think the plea was to providing false dates to the FBI about meetings and the FBI said it caused them to miss the chance to interview Mifsud when Mifsud was in DC for a State Dept program.
I suppose that if the FBI wanted to interview Mifsud they could have googled the guy and walked down the street when Mifsud was in town. That's assuming they had an interest in interviewing Mifsud.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #619 on: January 02, 2025, 10:49:02 AM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 02, 2025, 09:50:03 AM
I think the plea was to providing false dates to the FBI about meetings and the FBI said it caused them to miss the chance to interview Mifsud when Mifsud was in DC for a State Dept program.
I suppose that if the FBI wanted to interview Mifsud they could have googled the guy and walked down the street when Mifsud was in town. That's assuming they had an interest in interviewing Mifsud.

I am sure they didn't care....
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #620 on: January 02, 2025, 12:00:54 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 02, 2025, 09:50:03 AM

I suppose that if the FBI wanted to interview Mifsud they could have googled the guy and walked down the street when Mifsud was in town. That's assuming they had an interest in interviewing Mifsud.

"Papadopoulos’ deception required investigators to scour more than 100,000 emails and gigabytes of data to reconstruct the timeline of his contacts with Russians and Russian intermediaries.

Even after his arrest and plea agreement last year, Goldstein said, Papadopoulos continued to be difficult, only providing information after being confronted with documents such as emails and text messages."
https://apnews.com/article/270300c4ced8471a975303ffad27cad6
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #621 on: January 02, 2025, 12:46:21 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 02, 2025, 12:00:54 PM
"Papadopoulos’ deception required investigators to scour more than 100,000 emails and gigabytes of data to reconstruct the timeline of his contacts with Russians and Russian intermediaries.

Even after his arrest and plea agreement last year, Goldstein said, Papadopoulos continued to be difficult, only providing information after being confronted with documents such as emails and text messages."
https://apnews.com/article/270300c4ced8471a975303ffad27cad6
A google search and walk down the street could have saved them a lot of time and trouble
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #622 on: January 02, 2025, 01:41:31 PM »
Again, we know the Arkansas Project / Massive Right Wing Conspiracy / multifaceted smear campaign to get Bill and Hillary was real and wildly successful. Some of the principals involved have bragged and laughed about it. One has "moved on" to the other side. Some of the same people were behind the birther crap and the grass roots Tea Party take over of the Republican Party culminating in Trump. They continued to go after SoS and Presidential candidate HRC.

Craig Livingstone and Billy Dale are largely forgotten. The trail of bodies is a faint memory. Still, to this day I know people who think the Clinton Foundation sold Pay to Play access, Hillary gave our Uranium to Russia, and she stored top secret files on a server in her bathroom..

The Clinton Campaign apparently hired Perkins-Coie, a prestigious law firm for a variety of services, including to do opposition research on Trump?  A lawyer or lawyers for Perkins,- Coie hired Fusion GPS.  "an opposition research and strategic intelligence firm based in Washington, D.C." -- Wikipedia

Fusion GPS previously investigated Trump for the Washington Free Beacon, a far right publication.

Fusion GPS retained Orbis Business Intelligence, a British private intelligence firm founded by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele.

Then there is Igor Danchenko, a Russian analyst who was apparently a primary source for something called the Steele Dossier.

Opposition research, like a non-disclosure agreement,  is not illegal. I don't see a plan to  frame Trump, just the usual efforts to dig up dirt.

As far as I know, political smear campaigns, even lying about opponents, is legal. It's called free speech. Slander and libel apparently don't apply in political campaigns. 
 
A lawyer for Perkins-Coie tipped off the FBI about the possible Alfa Bank connection. The FBI investigated, found nothing.

Is there some weird connection to George Papadopoulos in these covert layers?
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #623 on: January 02, 2025, 01:49:18 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 02, 2025, 12:46:21 PM
A google search and walk down the street could have saved them a lot of time and trouble

I suspect the FBI probably knows what they are doing. If GP wasn't cooperating,; they had no basis to interview the prof, if they even knew exactly where he was. He would have told them to fuck off.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2025, 02:03:38 PM by illiniray »
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #624 on: January 02, 2025, 02:31:05 PM »
We all know ratfucking, as Donald Segretti called it, only started with Hillary. Never ever happened before. Ever.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #625 on: January 02, 2025, 02:40:18 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 02, 2025, 02:31:05 PM
We all know ratfucking, as Donald Segretti called it, only started with Hillary. Never ever happened before. Ever.

Adams and Jefferson. Hamilton and Burr.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #626 on: January 02, 2025, 03:50:08 PM »
The problem isn’t that it “never happened” before. It’s that it gets swept under the rug and explained away when Democrats do it, and yes just like Truther stuff and Benghazi people are still repeating lies about Trump and Russia that came from a bunch of phony stuff paid for by Hillary’s campaign. People took that as gospel and are still running with a decade later. But double standard is 100% noted.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #627 on: January 02, 2025, 03:53:59 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 02, 2025, 01:41:31 PM
Again, we know the Arkansas Project / Massive Right Wing Conspiracy / multifaceted smear campaign to get Bill and Hillary was real and wildly successful. Some of the principals involved have bragged and laughed about it. One has "moved on" to the other side. Some of the same people were behind the birther crap and the grass roots Tea Party take over of the Republican Party culminating in Trump. They continued to go after SoS and Presidential candidate HRC.

Craig Livingstone and Billy Dale are largely forgotten. The trail of bodies is a faint memory. Still, to this day I know people who think the Clinton Foundation sold Pay to Play access, Hillary gave our Uranium to Russia, and she stored top secret files on a server in her bathroom..

The Clinton Campaign apparently hired Perkins-Coie, a prestigious law firm for a variety of services, including to do opposition research on Trump?  A lawyer or lawyers for Perkins,- Coie hired Fusion GPS.  "an opposition research and strategic intelligence firm based in Washington, D.C." -- Wikipedia

Fusion GPS previously investigated Trump for the Washington Free Beacon, a far right publication.

Fusion GPS retained Orbis Business Intelligence, a British private intelligence firm founded by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele.

Then there is Igor Danchenko, a Russian analyst who was apparently a primary source for something called the Steele Dossier.

Opposition research, like a non-disclosure agreement,  is not illegal. I don't see a plan to  frame Trump, just the usual efforts to dig up dirt.

As far as I know, political smear campaigns, even lying about opponents, is legal. It's called free speech. Slander and libel apparently don't apply in political campaigns. 
 
A lawyer for Perkins-Coie tipped off the FBI about the possible Alfa Bank connection. The FBI investigated, found nothing.

Is there some weird connection to George Papadopoulos in these covert layers?

You were arguing here that Walz should file a libel suit for the Tampon Tim campaign leveled on him by the Trump campaign, but you’ll explain away massive fake documents generated under the guise of authenticity and dropped right before an election as “just a smear campaign, no biggie.” Can’t make this shit up.

It’s well understood the FBI was not and probably still is not a nonpartisan entity in the matters above.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #628 on: January 02, 2025, 03:54:47 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 02, 2025, 03:50:08 PM
The problem isn’t that it “never happened” before. It’s that it gets swept under the rug and explained away when Democrats do it, and yes just like Truther stuff and Benghazi people are still repeating lies about Trump and Russia that came from a bunch of phony stuff paid for by Hillary’s campaign. People took that as gospel and are still running with a decade later. But double standard is 100% noted.

Your hatred of Hillary is clearly blinding you.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #629 on: January 02, 2025, 03:57:40 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 02, 2025, 03:54:47 PM
Your hatred of Hillary is clearly blinding you.

I am pretty ambivalent toward her. I’m bummed the Democrats couldn’t come up with someone better to beat Trump in 2016. I voted for Gary Johnson in that election.
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