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The most important election of our lives

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #600 on: January 01, 2025, 01:10:51 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 01, 2025, 01:00:59 PM
The plan was layered to make it appear as tho it wasn't contracted out foreign interference.
The layering was the Clinton campaign, then Perkins-Coie, then Fusion GPS, and then the foreigner from the UK, the Russian and some foreign bar talk.

When you were posting this stuff years ago I didn’t pay much attention because frankly at that time I just didn’t really care. I didn’t like Trump or the opposition so I just kinda of checked out. It’s only been in the last year or so that I started to wake up to all the actual bullshit that went down. Wonder what they have in store for us the next 4 years?
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #601 on: January 01, 2025, 01:46:43 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 01, 2025, 01:10:51 PM
When you were posting this stuff years ago I didn’t pay much attention because frankly at that time I just didn’t really care. I didn’t like Trump or the opposition so I just kinda of checked out. It’s only been in the last year or so that I started to wake up to all the actual bullshit that went down. Wonder what they have in store for us the next 4 years?
And the Intelligence (lol) Community knew about it. They let Obama know about it. The FBI knew the Steele dossier was garbage in Jan or early Feb 2017 so they made Danchenko a confidential human source so they could squirrel him away.
Then they started the Mueller smokescreen that couldn't find collusion but Mueller was kind enough to let the country know that Trump wouldn't cooperate in the farce and that was good enough to say that Trump "obstructed" their "investigation."
But Mueller did find a dozen Russkis to indict to make it look good. The 12 Russkis will never, ever set foot in the US for a trial but Mueller had something completely inconsequential to justify the investigation. Russkis indicted and allegations of Trump's obstruction.

And 2018 was the last time I voted for a Democrat. I didn't know enough at that point.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #602 on: January 01, 2025, 03:27:51 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 01, 2025, 12:51:13 PM
Hillary’s campaign paid a foreign agent to assemble a smoking gun dossier that linked Trump to Russia. It’s been almost entirely debunked. Should she have been disqualified?

Verbatim from Wikipedia, spin free, I added some paragraphs:

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In September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political website, to do opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In spring 2016, when Trump had emerged as the probable Republican candidate, the Free Beacon stopped funding the investigation into Trump.

From April 2016 through October 2016, the law firm Perkins Coie, on behalf of the Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee, retained Fusion GPS to continue opposition research on Trump.

In June 2016, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump.

Steele produced a 35-page series of uncorroborated memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Steele dossier.[Fusion GPS provided Marc Elias, the lead election lawyer for Perkins Coie, with the resulting dossier and other research documents.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #603 on: January 01, 2025, 03:40:34 PM »
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections

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Russian interference operations against the United States during the 2016 presidential election were vast and complex. That is the conclusion drawn by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, as well as by the Department of Justice, the intelligence community, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, in the course of their respective investigations. The Russian government waged a well-documented, sustained campaign

https://www.gmfus.org/news/fact-sheet-what-we-know-about-russias-interference-operations

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #604 on: January 01, 2025, 04:53:01 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 01, 2025, 03:40:34 PM
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections

https://www.gmfus.org/news/fact-sheet-what-we-know-about-russias-interference-operations


Yep. Nice quote. Can't argue with it.
Russia does shit every election. They're not the only ones. But I'm not sure there's any evidence that Russian govt interference mattered diddly squat in the election.
Now, if you want to include Russian citizen interference. That's different.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #605 on: January 01, 2025, 06:57:09 PM »
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A study by Columbia SIPA researchers that examined the impact of Russian internet “trolls” on online betting markets suggests that the trolls’ activity influenced the 2016 U.S. presidential election in the direction of Donald Trump.
https://www.sipa.columbia.edu/news/study-confirms-influence-russian-internet-trolls-2016-election

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Mueller concluded that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails fm people associated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and then publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks, to sow discord in the United States, hurt Clinton and help Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/05/17/truth-about-russia-trump-2016-election/

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New Study Shows Online Push by Foreign Disinformation Accounts Didn’t Change Attitudes, Voting Behavior—But Disinformation Effort May Still Have Had Consequences
https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2023/january/exposure-to-russian-twitter-campaigns-in-2016-presidential-race-.html

Conflicting studies on the degree and type of effectiveness of the Internet trolls.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #606 on: January 01, 2025, 07:16:26 PM »
And while they had you distracted by the fake Russian stuff about Trump the Democrats were doing their very own election interference right here at home, with our own people and government agencies involved. 
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #607 on: January 01, 2025, 07:35:24 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 01, 2025, 07:16:26 PM
And while they had you distracted by the fake Russian stuff about Trump the Democrats were doing their very own election interference right here at home, with our own people and government agencies involved.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #608 on: January 01, 2025, 07:51:03 PM »
Hilarious.

It is as if the DePaul doofus never set foot in the bar bragging.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #609 on: January 01, 2025, 08:12:20 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 01, 2025, 07:16:26 PM
And while they had you distracted by the fake Russian stuff about Trump the Democrats were doing their very own election interference right here at home, with our own people and government agencies involved.

So Robert Fiske, Ken Starr, and Robert Ray were part of the Arkansas election interference project?

How about the ten investigations  into the 2012 Benghazi attack?

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"Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she's untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought."
-- Former Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA)
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #610 on: January 01, 2025, 08:22:47 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 01, 2025, 07:51:03 PM
Hilarious.

It is as if the DePaul doofus never set foot in the bar bragging.

I was told George Soros funded it.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #611 on: January 01, 2025, 08:43:46 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 01, 2025, 07:51:03 PM
Hilarious.

It is as if the DePaul doofus never set foot in the bar bragging.
I'm not sure it happened the way you think it did.

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #612 on: January 01, 2025, 08:54:02 PM »
We know there really was an Arkansas Project financed by Richard Mellon Scaife and other wealthy Republicans. The Wikipedia article is an easy read.

This led to the appointment of special prosecutors, the best known was Ken Starr.

Also, McCarty admitted the purpose of the multiple Benghazi hearings was to destroy HRC's approval rating and trust-ability.

So, Republicans are saying Hillary and Mueller and others did the same thing to Trump? 

One difference, there was no "Durham" counter investigation. That would have been interesting.

As it stands right now, both Clinton and Trump got nailed for lying about sex. IMO Clinton's perjury charge and Trump's 36 state felonies were / are pretty much BS. Depending on the definition of is.

I do think Smith and Fani had him ....

Another thing. According to the recent SCOTUS decision, was my man tricky Dick immune?
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #613 on: January 01, 2025, 08:57:21 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 01, 2025, 08:43:46 PM
I'm not sure it happened the way you think it did.



I am not sure it happened the way he implied it did. In fact, I am pretty sure he is full of shit.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #614 on: January 01, 2025, 09:29:24 PM »
Trump loves a good old autocracy like Russia.  There's never been any need to blackmail him.  He yearns for "Strong Man" status.  And he (and a growing part of his party) no longer has any use for democracy.  Trump sees Putin's Russia as a pretty good model.   
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