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The most important election of our lives

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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #135 on: November 06, 2024, 11:30:55 AM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 06, 2024, 11:16:22 AM
I don't think those issues were particularly crucial for the so-called persuadable voters. That stuff was primarily red meat to keep the base energized.

I think the undecided voters that broke for Trump were more upset about inflation and wanted to see prices return to 2019 levels.  They took out their frustrations on the incumbent party; something we've seen in other elections.

when was the last time the incumbent party lost with a 4% unemployment rate
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #136 on: November 06, 2024, 11:39:30 AM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on November 06, 2024, 11:30:55 AM
when was the last time the incumbent party lost with a 4% unemployment rate

1968? UE was 3.6%
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #137 on: November 06, 2024, 11:43:38 AM »
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This sucks, for the record. I find it strange that people are unable to parse the idea that I and people like me are so critical of the Democrats in large part because they have proven themselves incapable of producing a durable winning coalition. You know my theories on American politics, and core to that is a set of claims about why Democrats lose. Maybe they’re wrong! Maybe so. But my endless frustration with the professional triangulators is motivated not just by my profound disagreements over policy and values but also because I think we need a good opposition party to fight the Republicans and we don’t have one.

I’ll have a piece in another publication tomorrow afternoon or Thursday morning, and I’ll have my analysis there. But let me say this. As of this moment, Harris is projected to lose the popular vote and all seven swing states. I’m hoping that gets better over time, even if it’s just for optics. But that looks like the reality. And here is what I have to say.

You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Jill Stein.

You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Putin and the Russians.

You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Joe Rogan.

You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Glenn Greenwald and The Young Turks.

You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on the decision to run with Tim Walz.

You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on the New York Times and its occasional Democrat-skeptical opinion pieces.

You can’t blame losing the popular vote and all seven swing states on Joe Biden for getting out of the race too late.

You can’t pull all the usual Democrat tricks. You have to actually figure out what’s wrong with your party, root and branch. Because you called the guy a fascist, again, and he walked right through that insult to the Oval Office, again. And the eternal question presents itself: what are you going to do about it?



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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #138 on: November 06, 2024, 11:48:05 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 06, 2024, 11:39:30 AM
1968? UE was 3.6%

what happened to the incumbent? 
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #139 on: November 06, 2024, 11:50:16 AM »
Quote from: Custard on November 06, 2024, 09:40:00 AM
Kamala never should have been the candidate in the first place. They shouldn’t have tried to cover up Joe’s cognitive state and installed an unpopular VP as the presidential candidate. And then went on to run a cowardly campaign. It was a failure at all levels. It was so bad that they got their asses kicked by “basically Hitler/fascist/felon/etc” who has no business being anywhere near the Oval Office. And, like last time, the left will blame everyone but themselves for their shortcomings.

So the answer is: “Nothing. There’s nothing she could have done to win my vote.” It’s pretty obvious “independent.”
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #140 on: November 06, 2024, 11:50:25 AM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #141 on: November 06, 2024, 11:51:55 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 06, 2024, 10:51:51 AM
LOL.

The Dems need to kick out the fucking terrorist supporting, soft on crime, defund the police, open borders, what are your pronouns, let biological men play women sports, bullshit progressives.

You are the most right-wing Republican sounding Democrat I’ve ever encountered.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #142 on: November 06, 2024, 12:02:54 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on November 06, 2024, 11:16:22 AM
I don't think those issues were particularly crucial for the so-called persuadable voters. That stuff was primarily red meat to keep the base energized.

I think the undecided voters that broke for Trump were more upset about inflation and wanted to see prices return to 2019 levels.  They took out their frustrations on the incumbent party; something we've seen in other elections.

What was Trump's biggest ad buy? The Harris Hearts Taxpayers Paying for Prisoner Sex Reassignment Surgeries ads that ran on loops during football games from the end of August through last weekend.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #143 on: November 06, 2024, 12:05:17 PM »
Quote from: Unemployed Coach on November 06, 2024, 11:51:55 AM
You are the most right-wing Republican sounding Democrat I’ve ever encountered.

Bullshit. You are part of the reason Trump won, again. So take your loser progressive bullshit to the Green Party or, better yet, Gaza or Venezuela.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #144 on: November 06, 2024, 12:14:05 PM »
I have friends who primarily rely on Social Security that voted for Trump. Two of them are disabled.

Their stated reason is inflation.

They are also mad that Biden and Harris gave money to immigrants or sent it to other countries.

The "plandemic" was an issue too. They still think it was a hoax to get Trump.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #145 on: November 06, 2024, 12:14:54 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on November 06, 2024, 11:29:24 AM
Holy fucking shit, you drinking early today gramps?

This is one big pile of horse shit if I've ever seen one

He’s exactly right.

And Ronald Reagan wouldn’t make it to Super Tuesday in today’s Republican Party.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #146 on: November 06, 2024, 12:15:35 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on November 06, 2024, 12:14:05 PM
I have friends who primarily rely on Social Security that voted for Trump. Two of them are disabled.

Their stated reason is inflation.

They are also mad that Biden and Harris gave money to immigrants or sent it to other countries.

The "plandemic" was an issue too. They still think it was a hoax to get Trump.

I agree. I think inflation was a huge reason Harris lost.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #147 on: November 06, 2024, 12:16:50 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 06, 2024, 12:05:17 PM
Bullshit. You are part of the reason Trump won, again. So take your loser progressive bullshit to the Green Party or, better yet, Gaza or Venezuela.

Nah, inflation and endless war.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #148 on: November 06, 2024, 12:18:50 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 06, 2024, 12:02:54 PM
What was Trump's biggest ad buy? The Harris Hearts Taxpayers Paying for Prisoner Sex Reassignment Surgeries ads that ran on loops during football games from the end of August through last weekend.

Is it even true? We know the truth barely matters anymore.
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Re: The most important election of our lives
« Reply #149 on: November 06, 2024, 12:25:39 PM »
Quote from: Luke Getsy on November 06, 2024, 11:50:16 AM
So the answer is: “Nothing. There’s nothing she could have done to win my vote.” It’s pretty obvious “independent.”

It wasn’t talking about whether Harris could get my vote, it was about whether the democrats could get my vote. Once they installed Harris I was indeed out. That’s not the party that’s saving democracy, sorry.
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