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Hey guys, I was wrong about something

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #180 on: October 01, 2024, 04:11:43 PM »
Spark says you can just swap out Spark's name for Calvin on all the posts.....

You've so thoroughly shown your ass about this.  You look like an absolute abject moron, and an awful person.  Nothing anybody who'd interacted with you before didn't already know, obviously, but man have your wild narrative shifts made you look like a total jackass here.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #181 on: October 01, 2024, 04:12:10 PM »
Nah. She was a slut.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #182 on: October 01, 2024, 04:12:34 PM »
We have ad nauseum. It gets us nowhere. You are like an insurance company...deny, deny, deny....

You provided nothing other than the most vague of generalities. Still waiting on you to give the specifics on how I’m anti-free speech and my plan to get rid of MAGA.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #183 on: October 01, 2024, 04:13:17 PM »
The friend's dollar sign text emojis destroyed this Spark narrative....

Thats obviously an extremely different discussion.  I’ve never proclaimed that TSJ was guilty, that’s for sure - but others here have proclaimed that he’s definitely innocent, and that she’s definitely a lying crack whore who made it up to extort him.  Those people obviously have not come off very well.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #184 on: October 01, 2024, 04:14:03 PM »
Spark says you can just swap out Spark's name for Calvin on all the posts.....

You keep posting these things I was right about (the narrative shift and how gross it was), and saying "see he was wrong!"

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #185 on: October 01, 2024, 04:14:42 PM »
This didn't age well...

Theres not really a way the people who have been saying “we don’t have nearly enough information to know, the evidence is totally opaque to us, don’t rush to judgment because of the basketball team he plays for, don’t attack the accuser who you know nothing about” are going to come out of this looking bad.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #186 on: October 01, 2024, 04:15:19 PM »
I've pointed out when you act like a moron so many times you just make shit up about me, and you think that makes ME look bad.  A chef's kiss.

You’re in the club too, eh?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #187 on: October 01, 2024, 04:15:54 PM »
The friend's dollar sign text emojis destroyed this Spark narrative....

So was she a money grubbing slut, or the victim of a sexual assault by a misidentified culprit?

This post here, in particular, totally undercuts your continued insinuations that I claimed he was guilty or should go to prison.  I did not, that was a lie, and I appreciate you showing a post from a month before the trial to prove it.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #188 on: October 01, 2024, 04:16:17 PM »
Again, Spark says you can just swap his name with Calvin's on these posts....

She has never said she doesn’t know if it’s him.  You’re just really, really, really bad at understanding what you read.

If she was a victim of sexual assault (which still is not a given by any means!) you obviously owe her an apology for all the awful stuff you said about her.  You called her a slut and said she should be put in jail.  I know you won’t apologize - when you look awful you lash out and attack me instead of reflecting on how your own behavior resulted in you looking like a moron and an awful person - but you should.

It’s just not that hard or that much to ask not to jump to conclusions, not to pretend you know shit you have no way of knowing, not to attack people personally that you know nothing whatsoever about.  At least, it’s not that hard for intelligent, decent people.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #189 on: October 01, 2024, 04:16:26 PM »
And, the slut didn't exactly back off when she knew it was a potential NBA player. Even when she knew that she didn't know who did it.

And, 5 guys DNA in her panties. Yeah, not a slut.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #190 on: October 01, 2024, 04:17:15 PM »
This didn't age well...

Yep.  Those people's views didn't age poorly at all, except to people who are willing to blatantly lie to win some argument on a message board.

“we don’t have nearly enough information to know, the evidence is totally opaque to us, don’t rush to judgment because of the basketball team he plays for, don’t attack the accuser who you know nothing about”

There is nothing controversial here to any decent person.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #191 on: October 01, 2024, 04:17:45 PM »
Five Guys should hire this bitch as a spokesperson
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #192 on: October 01, 2024, 04:18:14 PM »
Again, Spark says you can just swap his name with Calvin's on these posts....

calvin actually chimed in on this one a bit later - what'd he say?

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #193 on: October 01, 2024, 04:19:10 PM »
The law did not change, nor the interpretation given the Purdue case from 2019

The law didn’t change though.

What changed is that this judge interpreted it in a way that means a college athletic department cannot suspend a kid anymore.  Which is obviously an extremely different scenario than literally every other instance of a college athlete being arrested in history.  Every one of them has been suspended on arrest, and not one single time has anyone thought that’s unfair or unreasonable or a violation of his rights, not once - until it was OUR best player.

One year ago lots of Illini fans were angry that Alabama didn’t suspend a player who wasn’t even arrested or charged with anything.  We mocked Iowa for years over the Pierre Pierce thing, but now you’re telling me we should’ve been angry about the violation of his rights.

It’s pretty ugly stuff IMO, but doesn’t matter what I think about it.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #194 on: October 01, 2024, 04:19:15 PM »
I know you won't post it, so here's what he said:

"They don't quote her testimony at all in the motion. They don't really need to for a discovery motion IMO, but you can't take it as a verbatim representation.

""I believe it was this person" is suspicion with some degree of uncertainty" is not accurate. The criminal law uses "reasonably believes" as a standard for self-defense force and reads out conscious uncertainty.

More generally, the law permits reasonable inferences and circumstantial evidence, so there's not a distinction between knowledge and belief when it comes to what is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you wake up and you walk outside and the ground is wet and there are puddles in the road, you can reasonably infer it rained from circumstantial evidence. You have no real knowledge that it rained and nothing based on direct evidence. You believe it rained the same way a woman at a bar can put a, b, and c together and believe the identity of who assaulted her based on circumstantial evidence."
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1122.msg125563.html#msg125563

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"It's not. She obviously had some reason to believe it was him, went home, and identified him that night. Eyewitness testimony isn't foolproof, but it's admissible evidence and could support a conviction."
https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1122.msg125564.html#msg125564