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Hey guys, I was wrong about something

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #165 on: October 01, 2024, 03:43:28 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 03:42:07 PM
You were WRONG about the whole case until even you figured out is was a sham prosecution.

In what way was I wrong about the whole case?

Be specific.

From the beginning, I said "wait to see the evidence".  I waited to see the evidence.  I never saw any that would lead me to vote to convict, and said that explicitly multiple times in the 6 weeks leading up to the trial.  That didn't change, he was acquitted, and I said it was the correct verdict.

Which part was I wrong about?

What you're really saying is that I didn't get my pitchfork out, I didn't slut shame the accuser, I didn't declare "HE'S INNOCENT!" without having the actual evidence one way or the other.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #166 on: October 01, 2024, 03:44:08 PM »
I mean, people can't help it when chromosomes are all fucked up...
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #167 on: October 01, 2024, 03:45:49 PM »
You get an odd sequence thrown in. A certain gene that is expressing...
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #168 on: October 01, 2024, 03:46:34 PM »
You decide it's a good idea to drive Ubers full time...
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #169 on: October 01, 2024, 03:56:01 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 02, 2024, 01:31:35 PM
Yes, the DNA indicates she had contact with up to 5 other men (at least 2). If you think that means he's exonerated or has any relevance whatsoever to the allegation then yes, you're wrong and stupid.  It doesn't.

Score: Nichi 1 Spark 0
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #170 on: October 01, 2024, 03:57:08 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 03:56:01 PM
Score: Nichi 1 Spark 0

Does the fact that what I said was objectively true not factor into the scoring?

If she'd been with 10000 men in the last 2 weeks, it wouldn't have meant anything to the TSJ case.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #171 on: October 01, 2024, 03:57:18 PM »
It's almost like Spark really wanted TSJ to get nailed for this.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #172 on: October 01, 2024, 03:58:50 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 01, 2024, 03:57:18 PM
It's almost like Spark really wanted TSJ to get nailed for this.

You're projecting.

I wanted the evidence to play out.  To wait and see what evidence there was, and wasn't.  It did, no evidence came out that implicated him beyond a reasonable doubt (which I stated multiple times before the trial), and I agreed completely with the verdict.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #173 on: October 01, 2024, 04:00:37 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 03:58:50 PM
You're projecting.

I wanted the evidence to play out.  To wait and see what evidence there was, and wasn't.  It did, no evidence came out that implicated him beyond a reasonable doubt (which I stated multiple times before the trial), and I agreed completely with the verdict.

Quote from: illiniray on May 16, 2024, 08:08:07 PM
"9. It has recently come to the attention of the defense that a female patron at the same bar involved in Mr. Shannon’s Complaint alleges that she was present at the bar on August 26, 2023, when a black male (“3rd party”) sexually assaulted her in the “corner” of a room at the bar by grabbing her vagina. (Counsel for the State has confirmed the date and general location of the alleged assault by the 3rd party. Counsel for Mr. Shannon inquired of the State if the August assault took place in the “corner” of the Martini room. Counsel for the State refused to provide this information.) Unlike M.N., the victim was wearing pants at the time, such that the perpetrator was not able to touch her under her clothing.

10. This victim reported the allegations to University of Kansas Police and ultimately—after September 9, 2023--the 3rd party was charged with raping the victim at different location on the same night as the alleged assault in the bar. Those charges were subsequently dismissed.

11. Counsel has recently determined that the 3rd party identified as responsible for the August sexual assault (less than 2 weeks prior to incident in which Mr. Shannon is allegedly involved) was present at the bar, in the room, and in the same vicinity around the time that M.N. was allegedly assaulted."


Arterio Morris is the 3rd party .

Nichi was correct in how this played out at trial. Spark, not so much.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #174 on: October 01, 2024, 04:05:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 04:00:37 PM
Nichi was correct in how this played out at trial. Spark, not so much.

Maybe if you just keep repeating how wrong I was, it'll BECOME true despite the evidence.

As a reminder, this post from nichi was after months of complaining about the accuser.  As soon as his lawyers put out the Arterio Morris story he (and many others) changed their narrative from "she made it up" to "she's a victim of sexual assault who misidentified the perpetrator".  Even AFTER that last thing you tried to 'stick me' on, where the implication was she's a slut who couldn't be trusted.

There was no look-in-the-mirror moment where they realized, man it's really fucked up how I slut-shamed and accused this woman of lying for money and now I'm arguing she's actually the victim of a sexual assault.  That never happened, and yet you've still found a way for me to the be the bad guy for pointing out that it was objectively fucked up.  And this sort of thing could've been avoided if, you know, they would've just waited for the evidence to come out before they started slut shaming people etc.

Hell, spark's daddy himself latched onto the Morris story, and then STILL wanted the woman thrown in jail without a trial.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #175 on: October 01, 2024, 04:06:27 PM »
She seemed to be a fucking slut. Let's call a spade a spade.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #176 on: October 01, 2024, 04:09:04 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 04:05:02 PM
Maybe if you just keep repeating how wrong I was, it'll BECOME true despite the evidence.

As a reminder, this post from nichi was after months of complaining about the accuser.  As soon as his lawyers put out the Arterio Morris story he (and many others) changed their narrative from "she made it up" to "she's a victim of sexual assault who misidentified the perpetrator".  Even AFTER that last thing you tried to 'stick me' on, where the implication was she's a slut who couldn't be trusted.

There was no look-in-the-mirror moment where they realized, man it's really fucked up how I slut-shamed and accused this woman of lying for money and now I'm arguing she's actually the victim of a sexual assault.  That never happened, and yet you've still found a way for me to the be the bad guy for pointing out that it was objectively fucked up.  And this sort of thing could've been avoided if, you know, they would've just waited for the evidence to come out before they started slut shaming people etc.

Hell, spark's daddy himself latched onto the Morris story, and then STILL wanted the woman thrown in jail without a trial.

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 17, 2024, 11:34:43 AM
Have we shifted from "she's a slut and a liar who made it all up and they should throw her in jail" to "she's a victim of a sexual assault but she accused the wrong guy"?

Nichi wins.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #177 on: October 01, 2024, 04:10:08 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on May 17, 2024, 11:57:53 AM
She doesn’t even know who did it. Yeah, I’d say that’s a pretty big deal when she blames someone…

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #178 on: October 01, 2024, 04:10:52 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 04:09:04 PM
Nichi wins.

The answer was yes.  The narrative DID change from "she's a lying slut who made it all up for money" to "she's the victim of a sexual assault and just misidentified the perpetrator".  And never was there a point where he (and the others who did the same thing) did a little self-reflection and realized, maybe if I now think this woman was the victim of a sexual assault, maybe it was fucked up that I said all those awful things about her?
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #179 on: October 01, 2024, 04:11:35 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 01, 2024, 04:10:08 PM
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Which she didn't.  Including at trial.

You're an awful scorekeeper.  Then again, I'm pretty sure even you don't believe the nonsense you're trying to sell.  Your emotions are fully in charge here.
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