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Hey guys, I was wrong about something

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #105 on: October 01, 2024, 03:03:19 PM »
I've been BEGGING you to go find the evidence of your claim to prove me wrong, and you refuse to.  Go find a post or two where I operated without conscience regarding the TSJ case - should be extremely easy, since I'm such a lying piece of shit.  Something where I called him a rapist, or where I said he should be locked up, etc.  I'm all ears.

I think you and I both know the reason for your refusal, it's just funny to watch you try to keep up the charade.

I had a recent experience. I even told him (and Custard?) to give me your best summary of what it is you THINK I said, it yielded no real answer.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #106 on: October 01, 2024, 03:03:59 PM »
I had a recent experience. I even told him (and Custard?) to give me your best summary of what it is you THINK I said, it yielded no real answer.

We have ad nauseum. It gets us nowhere. You are like an insurance company...deny, deny, deny....
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #107 on: October 01, 2024, 03:04:15 PM »
Correct.

I think the University AD should be within their rights to suspend a player even if he hasn't been convicted of a crime.  Just like you did in 100% of situations like this previous to it happening to YOUR team.  I still think that should be within the University AD's rights, but the judge disagreed - and the judge's opinion, not mine, is what matters.

UI fans have mocked Iowa for the Pierre Pierce thing for two decades, and I don't remember one single solitary person, even once, complaining that he was having his civil rights violated.  Not once.

That is extremely different than your original claim, though.

Did you see Steve Alford, and how he acted throughout that Pierre Pierce thing? He tried to silence the victim himself, for fuck's sake. That's way different than this situation.

I will admit, I thought the worst when I heard about the charges. I was actually railing on TSJ for being a rapist and a dumbshit at first. PAman actually came on and told me that I don't know what happened, and maybe slow your roll a little bit, if I recall correctly.

Basically, Whitman and the UI fucked up. They suspended him without following their process. At the end of the day, the kid did nothing wrong. He should have been allowed to play. I was wrong (gasp I did it again!).
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #108 on: October 01, 2024, 03:06:01 PM »
By the way, I believe Pierre Pierce did fucking prison time for that shit he pulled. He was...guilty. Not the same.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #109 on: October 01, 2024, 03:06:49 PM »
I will admit, I thought the worst when I heard about the charges. I was actually railing on TSJ for being a rapist and a dumbshit at first. PAman actually came on and told me that I don't know what happened, and maybe slow your roll a little bit, if I recall correctly.

I dare you to prove that I was reasonable!
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #110 on: October 01, 2024, 03:08:14 PM »
I dare you to prove that I was reasonable!

Do your own fucking research. It only takes 10 minutes.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #111 on: October 01, 2024, 03:09:42 PM »

Yes, you absolutely did vacillate multiple times throughout the case.  You were sure it was made up.  Then you were sure it was Arterio Morris. 

If Rodney Jones or Shelley Clark had been charged with something like this, I might have believed it. Terrence Shannon? It didn't seem consistent.

I should have said proving it is another thing. But all the defense has to do is create reasonable doubt. The prosecution had to prove he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

I never definitely said it was this or that. That would be idiotic. I don't have sufficient evidence to know that. She could have made up it. It could have been Morris. It appears alternative theories were never pursued by investigators.

You step over the line when you tell me what I was really thinking. I tell you what I think. That is how dialogue works.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #112 on: October 01, 2024, 03:10:56 PM »
Do your own fucking research. It only takes 10 minutes.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #113 on: October 01, 2024, 03:11:10 PM »
There's that. And the judge was an idiot!

I didn't agree with the judge.  Most people with even a layman's knowledge of the law were surprised by it.

Since you seem to take these things better coming from calvin than me, here's what he said when the TRO was filed:

" kind of like that they did this if his version is anywhere near the truth, but I'd be really surprised if a court granted this. I'm not sure local state courts can order universities to keep a kid on a sports team, and the Kansas court could just alter his bail conditions and it'd be moot fairly quickly.

Again I'd caution people that things like an internet search by the victim read great to people who believe one set of facts and poorlly when framed by someone making a different base assumption."

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg112948.html#msg112948

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"" The harm that I will suffer from an immediate suspension can never be undone, and I will never have this opportunity to further my collegiate career or fulfill my lifelong dream to play in the NBA."

Very much not true and to the extent he loses money by not being a lottery pick, his grievance should be with the NBA's collusive collective bargaining agreement and to a lesser extent the victim and the State of Kansas. I fully encourage him to fight the system, but UIUC is his friend, not his enemy, and its hands are tied.

I have concerns about the advice he's getting if they advised him this was a good idea. He needs to keep his ass out of jail before he talks about the lottery."

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg112982.html#msg112982

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"I think the only way he's back this season is if he pleas to a misdemeanor and the university is 100% behind him that it was a bogus charge that never should've been filed."

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg114093.html#msg114093

And here's what he said after it was granted:

"I stand corrected. Terrible legal result, great basketball result!"

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg114226.html#msg114226

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"Yup. This is just harm, most of which is speculative and not irreparable. He has adequate remedies of law for much of the harm. And this sidesteps that he doesn't have a protected right to play college basketball in the first place."

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg114237.html#msg114237


Here's what he said about the OSCR panel (in agreement with me saying "I think it seems absolutely crazy to tell a university they need to determine the likelihood of someone's guilt in a courtroom before they suspend him, but here we are.") :

"No criminal defense attorney really wants their client testifying at such a thing, either."

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg114247.html#msg114247



But it doesn't matter whether I or Calvin agree with a judge at all.  The judge's interpretation is the only thing that counts.  Maybe I should just match my name and profile pic to calvin's, and then you guys will actually listen to what I say instead of just making shit up.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #114 on: October 01, 2024, 03:12:02 PM »
I'm not projecting shit. Was just making an observation. Tempo loves doing that kind of shit too.

You guys are butt buddies with regard to how you argue shit lol

I guess we could just scream vulgar shit at them and tell people to go do my homework for me.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #115 on: October 01, 2024, 03:13:13 PM »
You’ve cultivated that atmosphere perfectly here, to where the most mockery is reserved for those with a conscience.

Thanks for noticing!!!
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #116 on: October 01, 2024, 03:13:30 PM »
I didn't agree with the judge.  Most people with even a layman's knowledge of the law were surprised by it.

Since you seem to take these things better coming from calvin than me, here's what he said when the TRO was filed:

" kind of like that they did this if his version is anywhere near the truth, but I'd be really surprised if a court granted this. I'm not sure local state courts can order universities to keep a kid on a sports team, and the Kansas court could just alter his bail conditions and it'd be moot fairly quickly.

Again I'd caution people that things like an internet search by the victim read great to people who believe one set of facts and poorlly when framed by someone making a different base assumption."

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg112948.html#msg112948

and

"" The harm that I will suffer from an immediate suspension can never be undone, and I will never have this opportunity to further my collegiate career or fulfill my lifelong dream to play in the NBA."

Very much not true and to the extent he loses money by not being a lottery pick, his grievance should be with the NBA's collusive collective bargaining agreement and to a lesser extent the victim and the State of Kansas. I fully encourage him to fight the system, but UIUC is his friend, not his enemy, and its hands are tied.

I have concerns about the advice he's getting if they advised him this was a good idea. He needs to keep his ass out of jail before he talks about the lottery."

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg112982.html#msg112982

and

"I think the only way he's back this season is if he pleas to a misdemeanor and the university is 100% behind him that it was a bogus charge that never should've been filed."

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg114093.html#msg114093

And here's what he said after it was granted:

"I stand corrected. Terrible legal result, great basketball result!"

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg114226.html#msg114226

and

"Yup. This is just harm, most of which is speculative and not irreparable. He has adequate remedies of law for much of the harm. And this sidesteps that he doesn't have a protected right to play college basketball in the first place."

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg114237.html#msg114237


Here's what he said about the OSCR panel (in agreement with me saying "I think it seems absolutely crazy to tell a university they need to determine the likelihood of someone's guilt in a courtroom before they suspend him, but here we are.") :

"No criminal defense attorney really wants their client testifying at such a thing, either."

https://illinihq2.com/index.php/topic,1102.msg114247.html#msg114247



But it doesn't matter whether I or Calvin agree with a judge at all.  The judge's interpretation is the only thing that counts.  Maybe I should just match my name and profile pic to calvin's, and then you guys will actually listen to what I say instead of just making shit up.

Looks like Calvin was wrong too. He's not here, for example, telling Nichi he's an idiot for being right.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #117 on: October 01, 2024, 03:13:56 PM »
Thanks for noticing!!!

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #118 on: October 01, 2024, 03:14:39 PM »
Did you guys hear me about that popcorn deal? Seriously, it's a great deal.

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #119 on: October 01, 2024, 03:16:33 PM »
I guess we could just scream vulgar shit at them and tell people to go do my homework for me.

Now you're getting it. Took you long enough.
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